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« on: April 03, 2010, 07:20:36 pm »

I am an Architectural Photographer and most of my work is commissioned based, but on days like today, I often go out and create images because I love to do it.  Then they set on my hard drive collecting digital dust.  I am wondering what avenues are out for selling them through stock and what stock agencies would be best to go to considering I shoot architecture, interiors, and hospitality?
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 07:33:43 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 02:24:44 am »

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I am an Architectural Photographer and most of my work is commissioned based, but on days like today, I often go out and create images because I love to do it.  Then they set on my hard drive collecting digital dust.  I am wondering what avenues are out for selling them through stock and what stock agencies would be best to go to considering I shoot architecture, interiors, and hospitality?




http://www.viewpictures.co.uk/

http://www.arcaid.co.uk/

an other two
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 11:37:04 am »

You can call Esto. They maintain a large stock library.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 12:45:19 pm »

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http://www.viewpictures.co.uk/

http://www.arcaid.co.uk/

an other two

+1 on both!
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 06:24:28 am »

I had an email today about a 30% off promotion from Getty Images, so I logged on to see at what price they were offering high-res pictures.

I found a picture and I was dismayed to find that it was less than 10 Mega-pixels... so I opted for live chat:

Dick: Hi, do you have any high res images?

Kirsty: Of course all of our images are at high res once purchased.

Dick: The image I looked at was less than 10 mega pixels... how do I filter and select images of 60Megapixels and above?

Kirsty: Do you mean megabytes?

Kirsty: If that is what you mean then i'm afraid no we cannot filter by file size

Dick: No, Mega-pixels.

Kirsty: We don't work in megapixels i'm afriad


I see that Joe Cornish has a photo or two on Arcaid, so they might be worth trying... does any other agency pay real money for quality (high res) photographs?
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 06:39:58 am »

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I had an email today about a 30% off promotion from Getty Images, so I logged on to see at what price they were offering high-res pictures.

I found a picture and I was dismayed to find that it was less than 10 Mega-pixels... so I opted for live chat:

Dick: Hi, do you have any high res images?

Kirsty: Of course all of our images are at high res once purchased.

Dick: The image I looked at was less than 10 mega pixels... how do I filter and select images of 60Megapixels and above?

Kirsty: Do you mean megabytes?

Kirsty: If that is what you mean then i'm afraid no we cannot filter by file size

Dick: No, Mega-pixels.

Kirsty: We don't work in megapixels i'm afriad


I see that Joe Cornish has a photo or two on Arcaid, so they might be worth trying... does any other agency pay real money for quality (high res) photographs?


Interesting story, but seems likely.  I have not decided yet which stock agencies I will approach yet (been working on redoing my website and hope to have it done this week), I have noticed that a lot of them have horrible architectural imagery, especially Getty.  Horrible lighting and timing, perspective and optical distortions, sometime I really want to call these photographers up and explain you can remove that digitally if you dont have the right camera or lenses.  With the major stock agencies, it looks like you almost have to shoot with bad quality and distortions to get on the site.  

On a different not, I am not in the habit of getting property releases from the land owner in an interior job.  Should I be doing that?  You cant sell interiors if you dont have one right?
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 07:07:28 am »

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I had an email today about a 30% off promotion from Getty Images, so I logged on to see at what price they were offering high-res pictures.

I found a picture and I was dismayed to find that it was less than 10 Mega-pixels... so I opted for live chat:

Dick: Hi, do you have any high res images?

Kirsty: Of course all of our images are at high res once purchased.

Dick: The image I looked at was less than 10 mega pixels... how do I filter and select images of 60Megapixels and above?

Kirsty: Do you mean megabytes?

Kirsty: If that is what you mean then i'm afraid no we cannot filter by file size

Dick: No, Mega-pixels.

Kirsty: We don't work in megapixels i'm afriad


I see that Joe Cornish has a photo or two on Arcaid, so they might be worth trying... does any other agency pay real money for quality (high res) photographs?

Getty's standard for accepting files (digital or film) has been 50MB for some years now, in digital terms they accept images from 1Ds (MkI, 11MP) and up.

Yair
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 10:50:45 am »

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Interesting story, but seems likely.  I have not decided yet which stock agencies I will approach yet (been working on redoing my website and hope to have it done this week), I have noticed that a lot of them have horrible architectural imagery, especially Getty.  Horrible lighting and timing, perspective and optical distortions, sometime I really want to call these photographers up and explain you can remove that digitally if you dont have the right camera or lenses.  With the major stock agencies, it looks like you almost have to shoot with bad quality and distortions to get on the site.  

On a different not, I am not in the habit of getting property releases from the land owner in an interior job.  Should I be doing that?  You cant sell interiors if you dont have one right?


absolutely crucial to get release forms signed from the owner or legal representative
no reputable stock agency will take your photos without it.

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 04:49:28 pm »

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absolutely crucial to get release forms signed from the owner or legal representative
no reputable stock agency will take your photos without it.

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Technically, in the UK, I think, there is no need for model release or property release on any photo taken from public property, or on property accessible to the public... but if it was an international agency (as I am sure they all are) they would insist on...
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 01:35:39 am »

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Technically, in the UK, I think, there is no need for model release or property release on any photo taken from public property, or on property accessible to the public...


If you want to end up in court, sure..  No client in their right mind would license an unreleased image for commercial purposes and no agent/agency/portal of any standing would
represent an unreleased image for more than editorial licensing purposes.

You might be confusing ones right, in the UK or elsewhere, to photograph from public property but your options to license images without release are mostly limited
to some editorial uses

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 06:11:36 am »

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You might be confusing ones right, in the UK or elsewhere, to photograph from public property but your options to license images without release are mostly limited to some editorial uses

Mark
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...so you are saying that it is legal to take the picture but not to use (sell) it except, perhaps, for editorial?
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 10:30:05 am »

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...so you are saying that it is legal to take the picture but not to use (sell) it except, perhaps, for editorial?

I would think "Editorial" would cover most uses for architectural images. The micro's don't have a problem selling RF no released images from what I can see. type in "The Gherkin" quite a choice. I sell aerials of buildings, no release and RM.

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2010, 05:08:40 pm »

Do you need property releases for images taken form public ground like the two images below?  I think that it would be impossible to get a property release for the one of Chestnut St but I think it is a sellable image.  How would I sell that?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2010, 06:05:39 pm »

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Do you need property releases for images taken form public ground like the two images below?  I think that it would be impossible to get a property release for the one of Chestnut St but I think it is a sellable image.  How would I sell that?

 In my opinion, the first image is technically not from a public viewpoint. You're standing outdoors, yes, but you're on the building's grounds still, as long as you're on the sidewalk adjacent or any of it's property. In fact, you're still under the building. Add to that the potential issue with the other shot from across the street: for that you may want to go back and research the heavy handed lawsuit(s) brought some years back by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame against the marketing  (e.g. posters, postcards, etc.) of any photographic images of it's building, even from what's considered public viewpoints - some at quite some distance away. This is a potential minefield without having rock solid property releases. I would tread very, very carefully. People now realize better the potential value of images - especially iconic ones, and if they happen to own the property that you're making money from by selling it's image, you may invite legal action if it's been shot without permission and a signed release. I and my assistant have been asked (more like escorted) to step off the sidewalk and into the street by security staff from a building at my back (opposite the one I was shooting) because I was (in their mind) standing on private property, and that "viewpoint" was private, and - again, this was from the sidewalk.

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2010, 06:50:37 pm »

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame against the marketing  (e.g. posters, postcards, etc.) of any photographic images of it's building
What sort of marketing would involve making postcards and posters of the rock n roll hall of fame? Were they just selling postcards and posters to tourists?
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2010, 06:56:07 pm »

I'd imagine it would be tough to get a property release for exteriors of iconic structures unless you were commissioned to photograph the building from it's property owner. I rarely ever see stock architectural photographs being used beyond editorial. I imagine it would be a different case if a company decided to use a stock photograph of a building for their marketing campaign, but normally companies don't have any interest in the photographs of buildings outside of editorial unless it's their own building or they were involved in the design process.
It's the company that buys the use of the photograph to know in what way it can be used (clearly stated in the licensing agreement). For me, I don't need to get property releases because I don't want my commissioned photographs to be used beyond editorial.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2010, 07:14:25 pm »

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What sort of marketing would involve making postcards and posters of the rock n roll hall of fame? Were they just selling postcards and posters to tourists?

Ok, I'll put it simply. He was making money from the images of their building. As I recall, the photographer simply got some great shots of the building from quite some distance (public viewpoint) at dusk in particular, made posters, postcards, etc. and privately marketed the images. It's a cool building, they were nice shots. He treated them as stock to make an income, on his own. He got seriously sued for copyright infringement. This was the first case of this type and caused quite a stir. I believe ASMP got involved with this one.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2010, 07:26:18 pm »

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I rarely ever see stock architectural photographs being used beyond editorial....For me, I don't need to get property releases because I don't want my commissioned photographs to be used beyond editorial.

Interesting, how can you differentiate what's stock and what's not???

Anyway, that may be the norm for you if you just shoot corporate exteriors, but depending on the subject matter, you may want to rethink that because there can be a day when someone from marketing at Sub Zero (or wherever) emails saying, "We love the incredible way our new walk-in wine cellar looks in that article of you shot in XXX Architecture and we want to license it for International, 5-year unlimited ad, point of purchase, and brochure use." Would $xx,xxxx  be agreeable?
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2010, 07:49:53 pm »

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Well, that can be the norm, but you may want to rethink that because there can be a day when someone from marketing at Sub Zero (or wherever) emails saying, "We love the incredible way our new walk-in wine cellar looks in that article of you shot in XXX Architecture and we want to license it for International, 5-year unlimited ad, point of purchase, and brochure use." Would $xx,xxxx  be agreeable?


Good point. Any of you other architectural photographers include property release forms for all your projects? I'd rather not have to bother the client and property owner. I wonder if there is a way to cover this within the assignment contract.
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