Image Sizes on Paper

[Mr. Capp]

I've just been trying to get a consensus on a seemingly standard image size for 17x22 paper with a  full frame DSLR, it seems to be 14x21.
I've been looking at Frame Destination and the 12x18(13x19) size seems standard but a 17x22 dosen't seem to have a standard size, they even mention
it not having a standard aspect ratio. I guess you have to custom order a size with them for 17x22 but what seems to be the general image size?
any input of course greatly appreciated.

[Dick Roadnight]

I've just been trying to get a consensus on a seemingly standard image size for 17x22 paper with a  full frame DSLR, it seems to be 14x21.
I've been looking at Frame Destination and the 12x18(13x19) size seems standard but a 17x22 dosen't seem to have a standard size, they even mention
it not having a standard aspect ratio. I guess you have to custom order a size with them for 17x22 but what seems to be the general image size?
any input of course greatly appreciated.

If you have a 24" printer with roll paper, and a 4:3 sensor, then 18 * 24 is a standard size for paper (with or without a border) (especially if your 60 Mpx back allows you to print 24 * 18 @ 360 original camera pixels per print inch),  or 16 * 22 for stretched canvas.

If you want cheap frames, you can use a mount to make up to a standard frame size: What are you trying to do? what is your market?

[Ken Bennett]

You can print 16x20 inches on 17x22 paper; that's a "standard" (conventional) photo paper size. If shooting with a 3:2 ratio sensor, you'll need to crop, but that's what 35mm film photographers did for years when using conventional paper sizes.

You can also buy 17x25 inch cut sheets of some papers. That makes a nice 16x24 inch print. Not  standard frame size either, but still a nice print size.

[Dick Roadnight]

I've just been trying to get a consensus on a seemingly standard image size

The european "A" sizes have an aspect ratio of 1.414:1 (square root of 2)... and you could crop to A2 or 20*16 according to the individual picture.

A1 -- 594 x 841 mm -- 23.4 x 33.1 in
A2 -- 420 x 594 mm -- 16.5 x 23.4 in
A3 -- 297 x 420 mm -- 11.7 x 16.5 in
A4 -- 210 x 297 mm -- 8.3 x 11.7 in
A5 -- 148 x 210 mm -- 5.8 x 8.3 in

[Mr. Capp]

yea, I don't do any cropping but in camera, and need to make them the same ratio as the 6x9(12x18) prints so 14x21 I guess is what I came up with. I use exhibition fiber and doesn't come in 17x25. These are for gallery prints.
Thanks for the replies,
-Michael

[Gemmtech]

I can't stand paper sizes.  The size of a sensor is approximately 36mm x 24mm with some variation usually within .1mm, but let's make it easy.  For years the "standard" sizes were 3.5 x 5, 4x6, 8x10, 11x17, 16x20 etc.  However the film format ratio was 36mm x 24mm or 1.5, so those 8x10 were cropped from 8x12.  I don't know why we don't match the paper ratio to the size ratio except for 35mm isn't the only format, but it certainly was always the most ubiquitous.  

The problem is if you want to use standard (CHEAP) frames, mats, etc. then you have to use what they make and the manufacturers don't use the 35mm ratio of 1.5.

[peterpix]

I can't stand paper sizes.  The size of a sensor is approximately 36mm x 24mm with some variation usually within .1mm, but let's make it easy.  For years the "standard" sizes were 3.5 x 5, 4x6, 8x10, 11x17, 16x20 etc.  However the film format ratio was 36mm x 24mm or 1.5, so those 8x10 were cropped from 8x12.  I don't know why we don't match the paper ratio to the size ratio except for 35mm isn't the only format, but it certainly was always the most ubiquitous.  

The problem is if you want to use standard (CHEAP) frames, mats, etc. then you have to use what they make and the manufacturers don't use the 35mm ratio of 1.5.

American frames makes economical custom frames and provides free mattes cut to size. Frames are inexpensive, I think, but not "cheap."

[Dick Roadnight]

35mm isn't the only format, but it certainly was always the most ubiquitous.  

The problem is if you want to use standard (CHEAP) frames, mats, etc. then you have to use what they make and the manufacturers don't use the 35mm ratio of 1.5.

If you use standard 5 * 4 or 10 * 8 sheet film, you can use standard 20 *16 paper without cropping!!!

[fdi]

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I've been looking at Frame Destination and the 12x18(13x19) size seems standard but a 17x22 dosen't seem to have a standard size...

Our least expensive ready-made picture frame is available in 17x22:
17x22 ready-made picture frame

We have not added that size to our standard size for out picture frame kits since it is not a standard digital camera aspect ratio and most photographers tend to either crop custom to the image, or leave it un-cropped. We also assumed that most people would print 16x20 on that paper size. Of course it is unfortunate that digital printer paper sizes have nothing to do with camera aspect ratio or stand picture frame aspect ratio although 13x19 was very close.

If any of you feel would like us to add 17x22 as a standard frame size please send me an email. Also feel free to propose any other sizes you think you would like us to add. You can see a complete list of the sizes we currently support here: picture frame sizes

Cheers,
Mark

[Mr. Capp]

Our least expensive ready-made picture frame is available in 17x22:
17x22 ready-made picture frame

We have not added that size to our standard size for out picture frame kits since it is not a standard digital camera aspect ratio and most photographers tend to either crop custom to the image, or leave it un-cropped. We also assumed that most people would print 16x20 on that paper size. Of course it is unfortunate that digital printer paper sizes have nothing to do with camera aspect ratio or stand picture frame aspect ratio although 13x19 was very close.

If any of you feel would like us to add 17x22 as a standard frame size please send me an email. Also feel free to propose any other sizes you think you would like us to add. You can see a complete list of the sizes we currently support here: picture frame sizes

Cheers,
Mark

Mark, thanks for the reply. I guess I wasn't in need of a 17x22 frame but a standard size matt opening/frame size designation. Sort of like how you have 3 12x18 sizes and frame sizes. If I were to print a 14x21 size image on a 17x22 piece of paper what would a good frame size be? This along the lines of my questions.
-Michael

[fdi]

Mark, thanks for the reply. I guess I wasn't in need of a 17x22 frame but a standard size matt opening/frame size designation. Sort of like how you have 3 12x18 sizes and frame sizes. If I were to print a 14x21 size image on a 17x22 piece of paper what would a good frame size be? This along the lines of my questions.
-Michael

For a matted 14x21 print the closet stand frame size is 18x24 which results in borders of 2 and 1-1/2 inches.  A little small for a print that size, but not too bad. Ok for the home, but I would not recommend it for a gallery showing. Those border sizes the same as seen with a 4x6 or 5x7 matted to 8x10.  An 11x14 matted to 16x20 has 2-1/2 and 3-inch borders.

I would recommend 20x27 which gives equal 3 inch borders, or 20x27-1/2 or 20-1/2x27 with a 3-1/2 inch bottom border if you like bottom weighting. In general if you are concerned about cost or have limited wall space then 2-inch borders are fine. If you are looking for more of a gallery look then consider 4 or 5-inch borders.

Thanks for reminding me about the 14x21 since that is a pretty ideal size for uncropped 3:2 images and does not cause any borderless printing issues.

Cheers,
Mark