canon MF camera coming?

[BJNY]

I wish they would offer 4:5 crop mode as in Nikon's D3 series

[rainer_v]

Where Canon will get the highest ROI: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/collection/...ot_cameras.html

Doug

i simply cant see the need for such high resolutions for any purposes except military or scientific.
we are not playing formel 1, but many companies and photographers think as it would be that way.

[BJL]

If anything, in recent years the gap in resolution has increased not decreased. ... Right now the gap (60.5 megapixels to 22 megapixels) is the largest it's been in a while. Digital backs have the huge advantage of expanding both by decreasing pixel pitch and increasing sensor size.

There is a fairly simple pattern: from the original Canon 1Ds in 2003 to now, the minimum photosite size has been about the same in 35mm format and in the larger formats (the historic name "medium format" is so inaccurate these days!). It was 9 microns in 2003; moved to around 7 microns, and is now at 6 microns.

The percentage gap in pixel count has increased due to increases in the largest DMF sensor size, but that "huge advantage" is now very close to the wall of the 56x42mm format.


Aside: the Kodak linear CCDs uses in large format scanning backs have instead stayed at the same 9 microns for all that time, while Kodak has gone from 9 to 6.8 to 6 microns in the "array sensors" used in DMF. Does this indicate that 9 microns is more or less at the limit of the resolution of lenses covering 4x5 format? Or does it suggest that the resolution needs of most or all customers have been reached by having about 8000 pixels on the short dimension of the image? These are full three color pixels not Bayer CFA.

[brianc1959]

Aside: the Kodak linear CCDs uses in large format scanning backs have instead stayed at the same 9 microns for all that time, while Kodak has gone from 9 to 6.8 to 6 microns in the "array sensors" used in DMF. Does this indicate that 9 microns is more or less at the limit of the resolution of lenses covering 4x5 format? Or does it suggest that the resolution needs of most or all customers have been reached by having about 8000 pixels on the short dimension of the image? These are full three color pixels not Bayer CFA.

It suggests to me that linear CCDs aren't being developed as quickly because their primary application - film scanners - is disappearing in the marketplace.

[stevesanacore]

I wish they would offer 4:5 crop mode as in Nikon's D3 series

Why? I would never want a camera to do any cropping for me.

I think the 7D pixel size is the answer for the future for the new 1Ds.

[stevesanacore]

i simply cant see the need for such high resolutions for any purposes except military or scientific.
we are not playing formel 1, but many companies and photographers think as it would be that way.

Reasons for 100MP Canon and Nikon

1. Because they can
2. Clients are impressed = bigger is always better


When will it end:

They will probably reach a limit to optics at a reasonable price and will stop at that point, or video will replace still cameras for advertising work, where 4K capture , (10MP), seems to be the future newest standard for anything but high end special effects work.

Ray Kurzweil is one of my favorite writers and has taught me to think, no only out of, but way past the box.

[gwhitf]

Why? I would never want a camera to do any cropping for me.

Here's an experiment for you -- go buy a Hasselblad XPan. Go shoot with it for a week. Look thru that forced panoramic viewfinder, and at the end of the week, come back to me and look me in the eye and tell me that that forced proportion did not affect the way that you composed and shot.

If that doesn't do it, then go buy a 35mm Widelux and do the same thing.

The shape and size of the viewfinder is very important. Many people just feel very squeezed by the proportion of 24x36, especially in vertical orientation. Canon and Nikon approach this Aspect Ratio thing differently. Even though I'm a Canon owner, my money is that Nikon takes charge very soon and overtakes Canon. Like that old adage: "Canon designed by engineers; Nikon designed by photographers". My money is on Nikon.

[TMARK]

I would like to shoot (not photographically) the person who came up with the phrase think outside the box.

http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/12/09/thi...utside-the-box/

The rule of thumb on the creative side of ad agencies is that "Ye who utters an irony free 'think outside the box' is not to be trusted".

[JeffKohn]

Why? I would never want a camera to do any cropping for me.

I for one tend to prefer the 5:4 ratio for verticals. 3:2 often feels too tall and skinny. Of course you can shoot with a 3:2 camera and just leave some extra space in the vertical dimension, but having a 5:4 viewfinder can be quite nice so that you can actually see the 5:4 composition and don't have to guess about where it will be cropped.

[archivue]

What I hope for from Canon or Nikon is more a 6*7 frame proportion like 30*36 or something close enough. I do not like much the 24*36 proportion... But I guess I'm alone... so it won't happen.

you are not alone, we are at least two !

a 28x32 makes more sense, it will use the same IC as 24x36...

[bcooter]

I would like to shoot (not photographically) the person who came up with the phrase think outside the box.

http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/12/09/thi...utside-the-box/

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/legend...-round/13738/P1

For reference

http://www.georgelois.com/esquire.html

[archivue]

maybe a canon mf camera with no mirror... only live view, could be a specialized camera for TSEII lenses !

[Hoang]

I for one tend to prefer the 5:4 ratio for verticals. 3:2 often feels too tall and skinny. Of course you can shoot with a 3:2 camera and just leave some extra space in the vertical dimension, but having a 5:4 viewfinder can be quite nice so that you can actually see the 5:4 composition and don't have to guess about where it will be cropped.

Shooting with the embed aspect ratio information option on a 1Ds3 will enable crop lines in live view. I've been using the 6x6 lines to help with getting verticals straight in live view (so that I have more lines than just the default LV grid). It's not ideal but it helps a little bit.

[robert zimmerman]

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/legend...-round/13738/P1

For reference

http://www.georgelois.com/esquire.html

Absolutely brilliant stuff.
Thanks!

[BernardLanguillier]

When will it end:

They will probably reach a limit to optics at a reasonable price and will stop at that point, or video will replace still cameras for advertising work, where 4K capture , (10MP), seems to be the future newest standard for anything but high end special effects work.

The future is in virtual worlds. Those will have cameras too because the desire to ancher our lives in time is only a function of our mental dimension.

Cheers,
Bernard