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RichFisher

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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« on: November 30, 2009, 02:27:57 am »

I realize that this question can not be answered on this forum, but I am disappointed to find so few 17x25 art papers (Harman and Red River are the only suppliers I can find).

I shoot 35mm and the image is 2 x 3 so I want to print 16x24.  There are lots of papers 17x22 for 16x20 prints, but why so few for 16x24 prints.  I 17x25 paper can be used for 16x20 or 16x24 print.

I don't like roll paper since it is difficult (expensive for d roller) to flatten it.

Okay I'll stop by whining now.
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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 06:30:31 am »

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I realize that this question can not be answered on this forum, but I am disappointed to find so few 17x25 art papers (Harman and Red River are the only suppliers I can find).

I shoot 35mm and the image is 2 x 3 so I want to print 16x24.  There are lots of papers 17x22 for 16x20 prints, but why so few for 16x24 prints.  I 17x25 paper can be used for 16x20 or 16x24 print.

You may want to look for A2 sheets, that is 16.5x23.4 inch, or a 1.41 aspect ratio. Not perfect, but better

Regards,
Bernard

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 08:06:20 am »

This is not for production work, but if you want the occasional 16x24 or larger it might do. You have to have space to do this. Making the rig takes a little time but cutting the paper is pretty fast and accurate.

First I made my own D roller (search forum). It did not work on 17x36 (pano) paper very well. It flattened it pretty good except for the very ends which still had a slight curl at the ends, no problem for mounting only printing. This hit the heads about the last inch or two and left  black ink smudges. The cure here would be to cut the paper to 16x40 or so  the smudges fall outside the wanted paper size and trim.

Now to 16x24. I use a Epson 3800 so no roll paper on the machine. Assuming you are using something similar in 17 inch width the trick is to think laterally. Instead of trying to print the 16x24 on 17 inch paper with the 24 inch dimension coming from the length of the roll, use a roll of 24 inch paper and get the 24 inch dimension from the width. Cut off a length of the roll a little longer than 3 or so sheets. Flatten that as best you can with your roller. Then cut this sheet down to the 16x24.

I use a homemade cutting board, see quick image, no quite finished yet. It is a 2x4 foot piece of MDF. At one end is another board with the cores from the roll paper screwed down to hold the paper. I used the cutting bar from my mat cutter and pin registered it so that it is perpendicular to a yard stick and that is perpendicular to the paper roll. The bar slips over two pins and up against two wood block so that it is firmly held in place and allows a good cut. In place of the mat cutter bar you could fashion something similar out of stock aluminum bar. Placing the edge of the paper against the yard stick assures a perpendicular cut and makes easy measurement.

I am using 17 inch roll paper but think I might scale up my board for 24 inch. Instead of 2x4 ft MDF make a 3x4 ft surface from a larger sheet. ( 2x4 ft is a stock size. You can buy a larger sheet and Home Depot, etc. will cut it to size for you).

This works because the 24 inch width has no curl. The slight curl is now along the other dimension and does not effect the printing.

A lot of work and may not be worth it. It is low tech and low cost and if you have more time than money may be worth a shot. Works for me and I can now print all those odd sizes, 8x14 etc., since I crop for image impact not paper size and use lots of simple panos.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 10:18:36 am »

Last month I had to print 10 16 X 24's and really had to scramble to get some paper quickly; ended up using an Inkpress matte sheet that I got from a local supplier where I could pick it up. I don't do much printing at that size (this was the first since I got my Epson 3800 a year ago), but might do more, if I had some paper at hand. Assuming that Epson sold quite a few 3800's and expects to sell a fair number of 3880's, it would seem reasonable for them to make at least some of their papers available at 17X25; certainly would encourage the user base to burn up that much more ink.

One of the items on my " to do list" is to get samples of some papers available at 17X25, pick one and keep a box on hand.
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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 11:19:34 am »

17x25 isn't a standard US paper size, 17x22 is. That explains the dearth of choices.

I've been using the Inkjetart house brand lustre paper in 17x25, and it works well. The fact that it's not expensive is a bonus.
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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 12:45:14 pm »

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You may want to look for A2 sheets, that is 16.5x23.4 inch, or a 1.41 aspect ratio. Not perfect, but better

Regards,
Bernard
As far as I can tell this won't work here in the US as international standard sizes are not available (though perhaps they can be special ordered through the major suppliers).  Too bad for us Americans.
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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 05:16:42 pm »

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As far as I can tell this won't work here in the US as international standard sizes are not available (though perhaps they can be special ordered through the major suppliers).  Too bad for us Americans.

There are many stores in Europe sellling online and shipping internationally, one of them is http://www.graphic-reseau.com/

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 05:32:07 pm »

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17x25 isn't a standard US paper size, 17x22 is. That explains the dearth of choices.

I've been using the Inkjetart house brand lustre paper in 17x25, and it works well. The fact that it's not expensive is a bonus.

I agree 100%. I have "standardized" on three size prints that I sell, all non-cropped: 13"x19", 16"x24", and 20"x30". The best 17"x25" paper I have found, for the type of work I do, is the InkjetArt Luster. I would like just a bit heavier weight, but all in all, it is perfect for 16"x24" prints from my 3800. It certainly would be nice to have more choices though; Epson is missing the boat here.
Dave
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 07:56:07 pm »

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I agree 100%.

Me, too.  Good paper, as is their matte stock.

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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 08:11:59 am »

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17x25 isn't a standard US paper size, 17x22 is. That explains the dearth of choices.

I've been using the Inkjetart house brand lustre paper in 17x25, and it works well. The fact that it's not expensive is a bonus.

Red River (house brand) also supplies paper in 17x22 and 17x25.  It seems that house brands are willing to do more to keep their consumers.  

Perhaps I should get a sample of each and test them.

Thanks

Rich
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 08:44:21 am »

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Red River (house brand) also supplies paper in 17x22 and 17x25.  It seems that house brands are willing to do more to keep their consumers.  

Perhaps I should get a sample of each and test them.

Thanks

Rich

Hawk Mountain has several 17 x 25 papers also.
http://www.hawkmtnartpapers.com/size.htm

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 01:17:19 am »

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Hawk Mountain has several 17 x 25 papers also.
http://www.hawkmtnartpapers.com/size.htm

Diane

Thanks.  I had not heard of them before - but there seems to be many small(er) paper companies.

My concerns about a small company is (1) consistency and (2) will they be around next week when I want to order a new batch of paper.

Thanks
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 01:18:07 am »

Quote from: Dave Gurtcheff
Epson is missing the boat here.
Dave

Sure seems that way to me.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 01:50:26 am »

Is it really that difficult to buy a roll of 24"x100' and cut it into 17" x 25" sheets?  I purchased a roll of 24" x 100' Epson Luster for $105.00 and cut 7 inches off the roll which gave me 7" x 100' or 239 5x7 and then I cut 48 - 17" x 25" sheets.   If you price out 48 17x22 sheets and 240 5x7 you will pay approximately $55.00 for 25 sheets of 17x22 (NOT 17x25) Epson Luster and $9.00 for 20 sheets of 5x7 photo paper.  If you buy the sheets you will pay a total of $110.00 for 50 sheets of 17x22 and you will pay $108.00 for 240 sheets of 5x7 or a grand total of $218.00 for the sheets and remember you would have 17x25 if you buy the roll.  Soooooooooooo $113.00 cheaper and the larger size for 30 minutes work.  Naturally if you don't need 5x7 you could always sell it to a friend or make smaller print samples, or do a 1/2 roll and use the other for 24" prints or if you use 16"x24" cut the roll in the opposite direction.  Rotatrim + Roll Paper = A Lot Less Money (Sometimes)
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Why so few 17x25 paper?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 03:05:31 am »

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My concerns about a small company is (1) consistency and (2) will they be around next week when I want to order a new batch of paper.

As mentioned above, you can get most papers from most major manufacturers in A2 format if you accept to go through the trouble of dealing with a non US supplier... which is basically close to zero since they have online stores.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2009, 12:55:35 pm »

Moab Paper makes their Kayenta Matte in a 17x25 sheet.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 08:39:27 am »

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Is it really that difficult to buy a roll of 24"x100' and cut it into 17" x 25" sheets?  I purchased a roll of 24" x 100' Epson Luster for $105.00 and cut 7 inches off the roll which gave me 7" x 100' or 239 5x7 and then I cut 48 - 17" x 25" sheets.   If you price out 48 17x22 sheets and 240 5x7 you will pay approximately $55.00 for 25 sheets of 17x22 (NOT 17x25) Epson Luster and $9.00 for 20 sheets of 5x7 photo paper.  If you buy the sheets you will pay a total of $110.00 for 50 sheets of 17x22 and you will pay $108.00 for 240 sheets of 5x7 or a grand total of $218.00 for the sheets and remember you would have 17x25 if you buy the roll.  Soooooooooooo $113.00 cheaper and the larger size for 30 minutes work.  Naturally if you don't need 5x7 you could always sell it to a friend or make smaller print samples, or do a 1/2 roll and use the other for 24" prints or if you use 16"x24" cut the roll in the opposite direction.  Rotatrim + Roll Paper = A Lot Less Money (Sometimes)

Or just buy a 17" roll and cut it into 25" sections.  Of course I have to flatten the paper, which is a royal PIA.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 11:12:29 am »

I buy 17 inch rolls of IGSF, with cotton gloves on, cut them to 25 inches on my mat cutter, I carefully lay them between some mat boards taking care not to scratch the print side, lay it on a flat surface with some weight (a couple of phone books) for a few days. They lay quite flat after that.
It sure would be nice to have cut sheets of IGSF 17x25, but if you plan ahead, it works.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 01:53:14 pm »

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Or just buy a 17" roll and cut it into 25" sections.  Of course I have to flatten the paper, which is a royal PIA.

There's just one small problem, Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper is NOT available in 17" rolls  

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/Product...Paper+%26+Media


Don't you think I would have thought of that first?    

Though my new favorite paper (Ilford Gold Fiber Silk) IS available in 17" x 40' / 100' rolls  
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2009, 12:41:54 am »

Quote from: Gemmtech
There's just one small problem, Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper is NOT available in 17" rolls  

Don't you think I would have thought of that first?    

Though my new favorite paper (Ilford Gold Fiber Silk) IS available in 17" x 40' / 100' rolls  

I should have checked epson's web site. I have no use for a 5" roll.

I, too, like Ilford Gold Fiber Silk.  I now use Harman AI GL Warmtone which does come in 17x25 sheets.
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