Topic: RZ67 and Polaroid Film Back (Read 8945 times)

carlsenjesper · « **on:** November 12, 2009, 04:58:59 am »

HI All

Quick question. Doing a project using Polaroids instead of my PhaseOne back and wanted to hear about the actual image size being produced on the 3.25 x 4.25" Fuji FP-100c film? And also how I can get the most of my Polaroids size wise.

I tried Polaroids in my 645 AFD III a while back but the image size being produced could only be used for exposure and light checking. Hoping that the RZ67 will produce way larger images.

Cheers
JES

UlfKrentz · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:16:07 am »

Quote from: carlsenjesper

HI All

Quick question. Doing a project using Polaroids instead of my PhaseOne back and wanted to hear about the actual image size being produced on the 3.25 x 4.25" Fuji FP-100c film? And also how I can get the most of my Polaroids size wise.

I tried Polaroids in my 645 AFD III a while back but the image size being produced could only be used for exposure and light checking. Hoping that the RZ67 will produce way larger images.

Cheers
JES

Image size will be 69x69mm, but it is cut a bit in all four edges.

Cheers

Ulf

carlsenjesper · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:51:58 am »

Quote from: UlfKrentz

Image size will be 69x69mm, but it is cut a bit in all four edges.

Cheers

Ulf

Perfect, thanks

condit79 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:24:15 am »

Quote from: carlsenjesper

Perfect, thanks

I'd recommend picking up a polaroid 600se if you want to shoot a polaroid and use the whole frame. I even have an extra one i might part with if you're seriously interested in this...
I shot a bunch of packs on my mamiya only to find out that existed and love the two lenses available, although i just use the 127mm lens most of the time.

nice site btw

carlsenjesper · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:16:55 am »

Quote from: condit79

I'd recommend picking up a polaroid 600se if you want to shoot a polaroid and use the whole frame. I even have an extra one i might part with if you're seriously interested in this...
I shot a bunch of packs on my mamiya only to find out that existed and love the two lenses available, although i just use the 127mm lens most of the time.

nice site btw

Yes, that sounds very interesting to get the Polaroid 600 SE... Does it work with the Fuji Polaroids? and let me know if you are ready to part with yours!

Cheers
Jesper

gwhitf · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:10:03 am »

You might try to rent a Littman. But rent it and test it first. You can probably get info at Lens and Repro in NY.

http://www.littman45single.com

http://www.lensandrepro.com

Nice large frame, and somewhat portable. The Littman offers some models with older, non coated lenses that flare nicely.

The RZ will have the cropped corners, as will the Fuji 680. The 600SE is OK, but I think it's a rangefinder, with its own set of focusing issues.

If you're shooting people, you might look into the twin lens GowlandFlex; I used to own several of them. There's a viewing lens, top, and then the taking lens, bottom. Mount polaroid in bottom. Could even mask off viewfinder and shoot pack film polaroid instead of 4x5 and shoot faster.

http://www.petergowland.com/camera/index.html

Imaginara · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:56:59 am »

Or you could get your hands on a 4x5 and shoot either 4x5 sized, or 3x4 full framed polaroids. (Fuji fp100c45 for the 4x5 size and normal fp100c for the 3x4)

TMARK · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:07:05 pm »

Quote from: gwhitf

You might try to rent a Littman. But rent it and test it first. You can probably get info at Lens and Repro in NY.

http://www.littman45single.com

http://www.lensandrepro.com

Nice large frame, and somewhat portable. The Littman offers some models with older, non coated lenses that flare nicely.

The RZ will have the cropped corners, as will the Fuji 680. The 600SE is OK, but I think it's a rangefinder, with its own set of focusing issues.

If you're shooting people, you might look into the twin lens GowlandFlex; I used to own several of them. There's a viewing lens, top, and then the taking lens, bottom. Mount polaroid in bottom. Could even mask off viewfinder and shoot pack film polaroid instead of 4x5 and shoot faster.

http://www.petergowland.com/camera/index.html

I do love the Littman. He really does improve on the RF focusing of the old Polaroid cameras. It is VERY accurate. Now that Type 55 is no longer available (choking back tears) the draw of the RF 4x5 is somewhat diminished. They are also too spendy for the amount of use I'd get from it.

That GowlandFlex, that thing is amazing, like a Graphmatic Super D w/o the shutter tension settings or age problems. If you use one of these, bring a ladder and a bunch of apple boxes so you have the height to stand over it. I've never used one but have two friends who swear by them.

gwhitf · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:22:32 pm »

Quote from: TMARK

That GowlandFlex, that thing is amazing, like a Graphmatic Super D w/o the shutter tension settings or age problems. If you use one of these, bring a ladder and a bunch of apple boxes so you have the height to stand over it. I've never used one but have two friends who swear by them.

Honestly, I never had really great connection to the GowlandFlex. I always fought getting the taking lens and the viewing lens to really match up, focus-wise, because I was shooting everything wide open. And you are right about the Apple Boxes and Ladders; when shooting portraits at eye level, you had to be on a ladder. Kinda got old after a while; big production. But really, the main reason I bought them was to simply talk to Mr. Gowland on the phone. He'd talk for hours. We were fellow tinkerers about camera design. A wonderful man.

But for shooting, I always had better luck with the Graflex Super D 4x5, from Lens and Repro. Now THAT is about the greatest camera of all time, when coupled with Type 55.

http://graflex.org/articles/series-d/

DanielStone · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2009, 08:34:26 pm »

the littman's are really nice.

check out dean's work. he's had quite a few people who considered littman cameras end up turning to him. he does really nice work.

I've been talking with him over the last few months about getting a camera built.

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/

littmans start IIRC at about 5-6k. Dean will build you ALMOST the exact thing, maybe not alligator skin coverings, with gold plated knobs, but a fully functional, tremendous camera that is just as accurate as the littman.

he has options on his website about what he can do, you supply a lens, or he includes the ysarex 127 that came standard with the cameras.

close focusing can be a pain with these guys though. but color neg films handle overexposure fine though, so say open up a stop or 1/2.

-Dan

gwhitf · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2009, 08:45:06 pm »

Quote from: DanielStone

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/

Really bad-ass. My kinda guy.

And check out this page, and his "R&D Testing Team". Scroll down.

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~razzle/Razzlok_/razzlok_.html

But honestly, film is just gone. It just is. If he could do that, and mount a cheap P21 or A22 on one, he'd have a good future. Nobody that I know is gonna backpedal as far back as film. Nobody.

But wouldn't you just LOVE to have one of those bodies in Lime Green, and whip one of them out for a real job. That would get some respect.

Streetshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2009, 11:03:29 am »

"But honestly, film is just gone. It just is. If he could do that, and mount a cheap P21 or A22 on one, he'd have a good future. Nobody that I know is gonna backpedal as far back as film. Nobody.

But wouldn't you just LOVE to have one of those bodies in Lime Green, and whip one of them out for a real job. That would get some respect."

I prefer Pink myself and would use it with a leopard skin outfit at a shoot ala Bruno style. Then you'd get noticed. As far as film being gone, come on Mr Gwhitf I think you were laughing and had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that !

If you want to be different and look different from everybody else who is using digital these days then just use film and a large format camera. Sticking a medium format back on a large format camera just does not give you the same look as say a 10x8 camera and prehistoric film.

Mind you using a large format camera aint as easy as blasting away with a digi body. It sorts out the men from the boys too......

Pete

DanielStone · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2009, 11:47:30 am »

I know of some people who use the Razzle cameras on a regular basis. NOT for every job, but for editorial assignments outside, they work very well.

film ain't dead. LF will be around for a while.

Ektar 100 was introduced. tells you something.

-Dan

btw.... this guy (dean) does this as a 2nd job/hobby. he is a camera repairman in adelaide,aus and does the work on these 110/900 series cameras in his spare time

so he doesn't really have the budget for a "real testing team" .

JeffBallinger · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2010, 10:08:00 am »

Quote from: condit79

I'd recommend picking up a polaroid 600se if you want to shoot a polaroid and use the whole frame. I even have an extra one i might part with if you're seriously interested in this...
I shot a bunch of packs on my mamiya only to find out that existed and love the two lenses available, although i just use the 127mm lens most of the time.

nice site btw

Greetings,
Do you still have the "extra" Polaroid 600 SE and, if so, are you still interested in parting with it?

Jeff

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