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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2009, 04:00:46 pm »

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My appologies, Christopher, I have misunderstand you, and we agree then.

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No harm done. After rereading I knew that it could be understood wrong, so I just wanted to clarify it.
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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2009, 04:18:08 pm »

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One of the reasons I bought MF was the view camera option, (and I intend to use it with shutter-beams on moving subjects, like vaulters) but I know that most people would never want a view camera - which is why Hasselblad might make an integral camera & back sometime.

I think you can get a laptop and a Sinar f3 into a medium-sized briefcase, but that is irrelevant to this topic

I am glad you think Hasselblads are functional... not just costume jewellery.

Come on, an F3, a tripod, a laptop, a back, a few Lacie rugged drives, on vacation?  NOT S-E-X.  More like a C-O-C-K-B-L-O-C-K to a wealthy man with the wife on a long earned, expensive, vacation.  Which camera system fits with this scene:  A handsome couple in their late 50's, obviously well taken care of, sitting in the garden restaurant of the Loire valley Chateau where they are staying, they just had a five year vertical tasting of Chateau Laffitte Rothchild, starting with a '67.  A fine meal of Froi Gras, some amazing beouf dish they can't pronounce, and its settling well, the light is pretty.  The man says to his fetching wife "Honey, I want to remember you like this, at this moment, for the rest of our lives . . ."  He reaches into his Hermes Valice and pulls out a tripod, a back, an F3, a laptop, a back adapter, some cables, starts to boot the systems, waits, starts Phocus, waits, starts the live view, waits . . . meanwhile his wife is flirting with the Spanish waiter.  Of course, he wouldn't pull out an F3 and all the gear. He reaches into that $7,000 valise and pulls out the Leica S2, its big, its MODERN, its TRADITIONAL. Its clean, masculin design speaks volumes about the man and his exquisite taste.  It is a symbol of his success.  SNAP.  Assured, confident, masculin.  Then the Cialis does the rest.
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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2009, 04:25:29 pm »

Love it!

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Come on, an F3, a tripod, a laptop, a back, a few Lacie rugged drives, on vacation?  NOT S-E-X.  More like a C-O-C-K-B-L-O-C-K to a wealthy man with the wife on a long earned, expensive, vacation.  Which camera system fits with this scene:  A handsome couple in their late 50's, obviously well taken care of, sitting in the garden restaurant of the Loire valley Chateau where they are staying, they just had a five year vertical tasting of Chateau Laffitte Rothchild, starting with a '67.  A fine meal of Froi Gras, some amazing beouf dish they can't pronounce, and its settling well, the light is pretty.  The man says to his fetching wife "Honey, I want to remember you like this, at this moment, for the rest of our lives . . ."  He reaches into his Hermes Valice and pulls out a tripod, a back, an F3, a laptop, a back adapter, some cables, starts to boot the systems, waits, starts Phocus, waits, starts the live view, waits . . . meanwhile his wife is flirting with the Spanish waiter.  Of course, he wouldn't pull out an F3 and all the gear. He reaches into that $7,000 valise and pulls out the Leica S2, its big, its MODERN, its TRADITIONAL. Its clean, masculin design speaks volumes about the man and his exquisite taste.  It is a symbol of his success.  SNAP.  Assured, confident, masculin.  Then the Cialis does the rest.
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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2009, 04:31:27 pm »

As usual, Michael is correct. The camera is now in use for the public in NYC and up-to-date images will be posted by many soon. I think that Juza just assumed that they could release  out-of-date images yesterday since all others could post images themselves from the NYC show as of yesterday. I doubt they got clearance from Leica.
 I have seen about 40 images from the S2 and can only comment on sharpness not ISO performance, as none required high ISO. The lens performance is what one would expect at this price range, perfect.
As Michael stated many years ago, Canon and Nikon may add many pixels, but the limit becomes the lens performance. So Leica decided that they would build great MF lenses and figured they might as well make a camera body too. The body/sensor will be updated as the years go by. The lenses won't have to.
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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2009, 05:15:56 pm »

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Of course, he wouldn't pull out an F3 and all the gear. He reaches into that $7,000 valise and pulls out the Leica S2, its big, its MODERN, its TRADITIONAL. Its clean, masculin design speaks volumes about the man and his exquisite taste.  It is a symbol of his success.  SNAP.  Assured, confident, masculin.  Then the Cialis does the rest.
I have been thinking that If I had known that the CFV 39 was coming out I could have saved about £15,000, as I could have used it with my existing Sinar and Hasselblad kit... but when you buy a H3D (or H4D) you get a point-and-shoot adaptor (with auto-focus) that is suitable for the sort of snapshottery you describe above, and when your wife is sunbathing you can put the back on the F3 and take some pictures.
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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2009, 05:31:05 pm »

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Come on, an F3, a tripod, a laptop, a back, a few Lacie rugged drives, on vacation?  NOT S-E-X.  More like a C-O-C-K-B-L-O-C-K to a wealthy man with the wife on a long earned, expensive, vacation.  Which camera system fits with this scene:  A handsome couple in their late 50's, obviously well taken care of, sitting in the garden restaurant of the Loire valley Chateau where they are staying, they just had a five year vertical tasting of Chateau Laffitte Rothchild, starting with a '67.  A fine meal of Froi Gras, some amazing beouf dish they can't pronounce, and its settling well, the light is pretty.  The man says to his fetching wife "Honey, I want to remember you like this, at this moment, for the rest of our lives . . ."  He reaches into his Hermes Valice and pulls out a tripod, a back, an F3, a laptop, a back adapter, some cables, starts to boot the systems, waits, starts Phocus, waits, starts the live view, waits . . . meanwhile his wife is flirting with the Spanish waiter.  Of course, he wouldn't pull out an F3 and all the gear. He reaches into that $7,000 valise and pulls out the Leica S2, its big, its MODERN, its TRADITIONAL. Its clean, masculin design speaks volumes about the man and his exquisite taste.  It is a symbol of his success.  SNAP.  Assured, confident, masculin.  Then the Cialis does the rest.


No wonder Leica has a reputation as a piece of jewelry and honestly, I have never met anyone that was impressed or excited by a camera of any type unless they were a photographer.  The general public could give a dam.  If it makes you feel better about yourself, then fine.  But there are too many much more impressive things in life than a camera.  And I shoot Leica.  Because I used to feel that they had better lenses.  But no one but me ever saw that.  No one - ever - in 15 years.  They could see the difference in 4 x 5 but even that was rare.  But Leica, 35mm - never.  You know why?  Because all anyone (viewers) ever care about is content.  Content is all that matters and all that will ever matter.
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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2009, 05:47:00 pm »

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They could see the difference in 4 x 5 but even that was rare.  But Leica, 35mm - never.  You know why?  Because all anyone (viewers) ever care about is content.  Content is all that matters and all that will ever matter.
Leica lenses were wasted on 35mm film... so digital is Leica's opportunity.
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2009, 05:57:25 pm »

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Leica lenses were wasted on 35mm film... so digital is Leica's opportunity.


haha, that is a good one.  Thank you for that.

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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2009, 06:07:44 pm »

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and when your wife is sunbathing you can put the back on the F3 and take some pictures.

. . . of your wife being rubbed down by some handsome young buck who moved in after noticing that her husband is dicking with some odd looking crap on a tripod . . .

In all seriousness, Leica has cachet. Leica has BRAND POWER.  The S2 will do fine.  Blad had it, its fading. The new stuff is all function, no S-E-X.  S-E-X sells.  

I won't buy one, because I shoot for commerce where such a camera would probably hinder my work, would definitely hinder the ol' bottom line.
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2009, 07:25:52 pm »

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. . . of your wife being rubbed down by some handsome young buck who moved in after noticing that her husband is dicking with some odd looking crap on a tripod . . .

In all seriousness, Leica has cachet. Leica has BRAND POWER.  The S2 will do fine.  Blad had it, its fading. The new stuff is all function, no S-E-X.  S-E-X sells.  

I won't buy one, because I shoot for commerce where such a camera would probably hinder my work, would definitely hinder the ol' bottom line.

You might be right, but are there THAT many of these guys out there to support Leica? Is there that much money you think? I wonder..

In two years, the camera will be dead old. The surgeons and investment bankers, many of which lost their shirt recently, will they think "Time to get a new Leica." or will they think "That heavy ass camera that I never used that much that gave me those noisy ass images and cost as much as a nice car..? fuck it. I'm buying a boat"
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2009, 07:34:14 pm »

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You might be right, but are there THAT many of these guys out there to support Leica? Is there that much money you think? I wonder..

I shot a large job last month that involved lots of Harleys and souped-up antique cars. Researched a lot of it and went to car shows to get a feel for the scene. In the end, I came away from it amazed at how much disposable income there is out there, for the silliest of stuff. (At least thru my eyes, by my values). Tens of thousands of dollars and more, for motorcycles, cars, guns, guitars, cameras, etc.

I have a whole different feeling about that S2 viability after shooting that job. Never underestimate a man's ability to blow good money on "collectibles" and the like, that in the end, will sit on a shelf. It had the inverse effect on me -- made me want to get rid of everything except the core gear that I have.

I don't know why that Leica camera gets under my skin so much. I have another friend with eight or nine M bodies, and multiple copies of lenses, and they stay in their weird glass cabinet, never being used. Really bugs me for some reason, this worship syndrome. You buy a hammer -- it's meant to be used up.

The only brand I mildly worship is the old 200-series Hasselblads. I had a slew of them, and every one of them magical. Oh, to be able to slap a digital back on a 203FE, and to be able to use the full 6x6 frame. (No vertical grip needed. Sorry, I had to get that dig in).

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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2009, 07:45:16 pm »

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No wonder Leica has a reputation as a piece of jewelry and honestly, I have never met anyone that was impressed or excited by a camera of any type unless they were a photographer.  The general public could give a dam.  If it makes you feel better about yourself, then fine.  But there are too many much more impressive things in life than a camera.  And I shoot Leica.  Because I used to feel that they had better lenses.  But no one but me ever saw that.  No one - ever - in 15 years.  They could see the difference in 4 x 5 but even that was rare.  But Leica, 35mm - never.  You know why?  Because all anyone (viewers) ever care about is content.  Content is all that matters and all that will ever matter.

I see where you are coming from and I sort of agree with you, but the lenses do matter, and Leica lenses aren't wasted on 35mm film.  I like the Zeiss M lenses a bit better.  I like the contrast.  have you checked out the latest reissue of Frank's "The Americans"?  Lenses mattered for those images, I think.  The Nikons of the day were, generally, not up to Leica standards.  This is 1955, though.

My clients could/can tell the difference in formats, even differences in lenses.  An old Dagar 7" on a 4x5, all uncoated, shot wide open at 6.3 looks mighty different than almost anything else.  The Leica M lenses on B&W are pretty amazing, so flat yet sharp.  My clients comment on an over all vibe of an image, sometimes the vibe is OLD FASHIONED, sometimes its HYPER REAL, sometimes its DREAMY.  Each format can help realize the vibe.  The Vibe is content.

My experience is that the general public think the Leica M is sexy.  Every editorial I've shot with the M8 gets subjects and models interested in the camera.  My wife was an MUA and has seen every camera under the sun (OK, not the Hy6 or AFi).  The only camera she has ever been interested in is a Leica M.  When I shoot street outside of New York, I always get someone asking me about my camera.  My M6 is beat, taped up.  My M4P is immaculate, and taped up.  My M8 is taped, a little beat.  People want to know all about them.  I had a wino in Boston asking me all about the camera.  This guy knew optics, knew camera systems.  He was well spoken despite having no front teeth.  Now, the S2 is a big, well designed, Teutonic object of desire, with the red dot.  This bitch will win bragging rights, its the bigest schlong in the big schlong contest, the longest pisser in the pissing contest.

The only camera I plan on buying, ever again, is an M9, when the price comes down.  Maybe Kurland will have a Demo with a warranty for a $2k haircut.
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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2009, 07:48:57 pm »

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The lenses do matter, and Leica lenses aren't wasted on 35mm film.  I like the Zeiss M lenses a bit better.  I like the contrast.  

My clients can tell the difference in formats, even differences in lenses.  An old Dagar 7" on a 4x5, all uncoated, shot wide open at 6.3 looks mighty different than almost anything else.  The Leica M lenses on B&W are pretty amazing, so flat yet sharp.  My clients comment on an over all vibe of an image, sometimes the vibe is OLD FASHIONED, sometimes its HYPER REAL, sometimes its DREAMY.  Each format can help realize the vibe.  The Vibe is content.

My experience is that the general public think the Leica M is sexy.  Every editorial I've shot with the M8 gets subjects and models interested in the camera.  My wife was an MUA and has seen every camera under the sun (OK, not the Hy6 or AFi).  The only camera she has ever been interested in is a Leica M.  When I shoot street outside of New York, I always get someone asking me about my camera.  My M6 is beat, taped up.  My M4P is immaculate, and taped up.  My M8 is taped, a little beat.  People want to know all about them.  I had a wino in Boston asking me all about the camera.  This guy knew optics, knew camera systems.  He was well spoken despite having no front teeth.  Now, the S2 is a big, well designed, Teutonic object of desire, with the red dot.  This bitch will win bragging rights, its the bigest schlong in the big schlong contest, the longest pisser in the pissing contest.

The only camera I plan on buying, ever again, is an M9, when the price comes down.  Maybe Kurland will have a Demo with a warranty for a $2k haircut.

You sure use the word sexy a lot when you talk about cameras.  What's up with that?

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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2009, 07:53:56 pm »

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You sure use the word sexy a lot when you talk about cameras.  What's up with that?

You tell me why you noticed me using the word sexy a lot.  Huh?  

Its shorthand for an emotional draw.  Now that I'm working some on the creative side, the ad agency copy writers' jargon rubbed off (no pun intended) on me.
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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2009, 07:56:38 pm »

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You tell me why you noticed me using the word sexy a lot.  Huh?  

Its shorthand for an emotional draw.  Now that I'm working some on the creative side, the ad agency copy writers' jargon rubbed off (no pun intended) on me.

I noticed it because you are talking about a camera.

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« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2009, 08:03:37 pm »

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I shot a large job last month that involved lots of Harleys and souped-up antique cars. Researched a lot of it and went to car shows to get a feel for the scene. In the end, I came away from it amazed at how much disposable income there is out there, for the silliest of stuff. (At least thru my eyes, by my values). Tens of thousands of dollars and more, for motorcycles, cars, guns, guitars, cameras, etc.

I have a whole different feeling about that S2 viability after shooting that job. Never underestimate a man's ability to blow good money on "collectibles" and the like, that in the end, will sit on a shelf. It had the inverse effect on me -- made me want to get rid of everything except the core gear that I have.

I don't know why that Leica camera gets under my skin so much. I have another friend with eight or nine M bodies, and multiple copies of lenses, and they stay in their weird glass cabinet, never being used. Really bugs me for some reason, this worship syndrome. You buy a hammer -- it's meant to be used up.

The only brand I mildly worship is the old 200-series Hasselblads. I had a slew of them, and every one of them magical. Oh, to be able to slap a digital back on a 203FE, and to be able to use the full 6x6 frame. (No vertical grip needed. Sorry, I had to get that dig in).

Signed,

A pissed-off Wilford Brimley


It really is shocking, the amount of Born to be Mild Harley dudes with their $50k worth of motorcycles, another $10k for a trailer, a $40k GMC Sierra to pull the trailer with the bikes, and trips to Myrtle Beach for the Born to Be Mild beer and golf weekends.  These guys aren't even wealthy wealthy, not Cardio-Thorasic surgeon wealthy, not douchebag financier wealthy.  The amount of waste is disgusting.  

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« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2009, 08:07:01 pm »

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I noticed it because you are talking about a camera.

Oh, yeah.  That.  I'm also a pervert.  Sammy's Camera in LA has a restraining order out on me.  So does Kurland in New York.

It was a set up!  You should have seen what that camera was wearing!
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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2009, 08:26:41 pm »

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Oh, yeah.  That.  I'm also a pervert.  Sammy's Camera in LA has a restraining order out on me.  So does Kurland in New York.

It was a set up!  You should have seen what that camera was wearing!


Sorry I missed it.  Before I die I would love to see a sexy camera.  Problem is, if I ever see a camera that I think is sexy I will get psychiatric help.  I like females.  Not electrodes and sensors.  

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« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2009, 08:46:04 pm »

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Sorry I missed it.  Before I die I would love to see a sexy camera.  Problem is, if I ever see a camera that I think is sexy I will get psychiatric help.  I like females.  Not electrodes and sensors.  

I like curves.  I lit a BMW commercial for the 5 Series.  The director turned to me after the stunt driver NAILED a skid-to-break 10 feet from the camera, and said "That Car is PURE SEX" with LUST in his eyes.
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« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2009, 09:18:45 pm »

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I like curves.  I lit a BMW commercial for the 5 Series.  The director turned to me after the stunt driver NAILED a skid-to-break 10 feet from the camera, and said "That Car is PURE SEX" with LUST in his eyes.


Then he needs help too.  But that is good.  You guys chase those cars and cameras.  Keep yourself busy.
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