What Would Happen If One Used Epson EFP With Dye Ink?

[Gemmtech]

OK, curiosity got the better of me and I had to run some Epson Exhibition Fiber Paper through a 1280, so what happened?  I guess I should ask, what will happen long term?  Because it works and looks great right now.  I realize that it's incompatible or should I say Epson doesn't list it as being compatible with dye ink, ok so what will happen?  It's not smearing.

[jdoyle1713]

OK, curiosity got the better of me and I had to run some Epson Exhibition Fiber Paper through a 1280, so what happened?  I guess I should ask, what will happen long term?  Because it works and looks great right now.  I realize that it's incompatible or should I say Epson doesn't list it as being compatible with dye ink, ok so what will happen?  It's not smearing.

Spray It that will help it last..It will work but as you know the dyes dont last as long..

Cheers
jim Doyle
http://www.shadesofpaper.com

[Gemmtech]

Obviously the pigment inks last longer.  I keep my dye prints under glass or spray them with automotive laquer without it if the sun hits the print they fade pretty darn quick.  I thought that since the Epson EFP is incompatible with dye inks that it would smudge or fade almost immediately and was wondering if anybody ever did this before?  Dye ink still has better blacks than pigment, though I'm not sure with the newest printers like the 7900/9900?

[MHMG]

IMHO, the Epson 1280 with OEM ink has very poor light fade resistance with all papers (microporous or swellable although swellable polymer coatings help to some degree).  The 1280 uses same inkset as was used in the 1270 model, a full generation before the Claria dye set which does show strong improvements in overall longevity on specific papers. The dye set for the 1270/1280 generation of printers had serious catalytic fading problems no matter what paper you use not to mention serious ozone fading issues with microporous media. Again, some papers are better than others but none are good. I have some light fade test results for commonly recommended papers for the 1270/1280 printers in my light fade database. You can access those Epson 1270 printer results free on the AaI&A website:

http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/acceleratedagingtests.html

Click on the first link on this page to get to the database and look for the Epson 1270 test samples.

EEF, being a microporous paper, is indeed "compatible" with dyes in terms of initial image quality. No particular reason it wouldn't be. However, Epson probably implies it is "incompatible" or at least not recommended because they can't in good faith recommend such an expensive "fine art" paper for a dye-base system like the 1280 that they know has such poor longevity.  In fact when ever you read a manufacturer claiming a paper to be both "dye and pigment compatible" you should assume the vendor is only talking about initial image quality and not print longevity.

kind regards,

Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi!

Instant dry or micro-porous papers expose dyes to gases. There are, or may be aggressive gases in the atmosphere, like ozon, that damages the dyes. Therefore, conventional wisdom is that dye based inks should be used in connection with swellable polymer type of coatings, these are less admissive to gases than the microporous coatings so they protect the dyes to some extent.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/...ember_2004.html

Best regards
Erik

OK, curiosity got the better of me and I had to run some Epson Exhibition Fiber Paper through a 1280, so what happened?  I guess I should ask, what will happen long term?  Because it works and looks great right now.  I realize that it's incompatible or should I say Epson doesn't list it as being compatible with dye ink, ok so what will happen?  It's not smearing.