Topic: Baryta Papers (Read 4706 times)

Rob C · « **on:** July 13, 2009, 05:07:49 pm »

Michael

I found your review of three baryta-type papers and note that you came out in favour of the Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.

I´m looking to find something that will allow me to move over from matte, which I have never really liked that much but which printed well on my HP B9180, a model I think you also use for some of your work. A quick question: are you still using the Ilford product and are you as happy now after having had about a year-and-a-half of experience with it (if you did stay with it as you thought you would at that date)?

You may have written further on this topic, but my memory ain´t that great these days; C.R.A.F.T. is closer to the truth.

Rob C

BernardLanguillier · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:28:56 pm »

If I recall, price was a major factor in favouring the Ilford paper, right?

The gap with the Photora Baryta remains important, 174 US$ for a 44 inch roll of Gold Silk vs 268 US$ for the Photorag Baryta.

Cheers,
Bernard

Alan Goldhammer · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2009, 09:50:21 pm »

I'm not Michael but I've been a satisfied user of Ilford Gold Fibre for some time. I've printed images (both color and B&W) on both Gold Fibre and Epson Exhibition Fibre and cannot tell the difference (nor can potential customers when I show them possible paper selections). It also tones quite nicely with B&W prints. Cost was one of the things Michael noted in his review but I think he was also pleased with the performance of the paper (as am I).

Kumar · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2009, 10:06:27 pm »

Can the Epson 2200 produce good prints with the Baryta papers? Any specific recommendations or suggestions?

Thanks,
Kumar

Wayne Fox · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2009, 10:59:20 pm »

Quote from: Alan Goldhammer

I've printed images (both color and B&W) on both Gold Fibre and Epson Exhibition Fibre and cannot tell the difference

Really? To me surface characteristics are quite different - Ilford is quite smooth, EEF has a subtle eggshell type texture. The visual "glossiness" is different, EEF is has more gloss- sort of a "sheen" to it, the Ilford is almost a slight "matte" look. Also the base tone is different (the Ilford is definitely warmer). This isn't saying one is better than the other, but to me they are visually quite different side by side, which is even apparent when framed under glass.

Both are very nice papers. Personally I prefer the look of the EEF. I also like Hahnemuhle FAB and use it for prints over 24x30 (EEF isn't available larger than that). I don't do much black and white but guessing the warmer tone of the Ilford would look terrific.

Alan Goldhammer · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:10:28 am »

Quote from: Wayne Fox

Really? To me surface characteristics are quite different - Ilford is quite smooth, EEF has a subtle eggshell type texture. The visual "glossiness" is different, EEF is has more gloss- sort of a "sheen" to it, the Ilford is almost a slight "matte" look. Also the base tone is different (the Ilford is definitely warmer). This isn't saying one is better than the other, but to me they are visually quite different side by side, which is even apparent when framed under glass.

Both are very nice papers. Personally I prefer the look of the EEF. I also like Hahnemuhle FAB and use it for prints over 24x30 (EEF isn't available larger than that). I don't do much black and white but guessing the warmer tone of the Ilford would look terrific.

I was referring more to the color gamut or the tonality range (in the case of B&W). I tested the Dmax a while back using the Epson ABW driver to print out the grey strips and both papers were about identical (can't remember the numbers as I'm at work now). I see little difference with respect to the two features mentioned. I agree with you about the base and surface finish. Epson must recently have dropped the price for EEF. I was placing a paper order the other day and saw the paper at a considerably lower price than three months ago. I like both papers (as well as a number of matte finish papers as well) but leave the choice of papers for large prints up to the customer (I have a separate binder with sample prints on differenct papers so they can see the difference).

Wayne Fox · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:45:07 pm »

Quote from: Alan Goldhammer

I was referring more to the color gamut or the tonality range (in the case of B&W).

Ah ... I misunderstood. From this perspective I would agree.

fjmcsu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:30:09 pm »

I have profiled the Gold Fibre Silk using my 7900 & usual RIP/profiling software & am quite pleased with the results in color mode. The price certainly is right compared to EEF. My next task is to profile the EEF to see how it compares to my custom profiled Fibre Silk, as I have only used the canned 2880 dpi profile from Epson & the Silk is better in comparison in my system (unfair comparison I know).

jdoyle1713 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2009, 01:06:21 am »

Well Ilford Silk Is Alpha Cell No OBA's.. Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta Is all Cotton No OBA'a..to totally different surfaces..

OK Next up.. Epson E. Fiber.. Thick Alpha Cell.. The Closest are Innova Ultragloss in rolls.. Just Thinner.. ( Lexjet Has Something to..You Know I Know But.. LOL) I Know Epson is coming with a Roll on this is just a matter of time..They are ready to bring to market some other nice papers..

Here is My Take.. When everyone was reviewing.. Price was a major factor since the "Michael" review..

Harman Gloss Went Down
Ilford Gold Silk went up
Silver Rag Stayed the same
Innova Ultrasmooth Gloss went down
Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta went up
Hahnemuhle Fine art Baryta Went Up
Epson Exhibition Fiber ( I Hear.. Going Down.. Can't Confirm
Canson Platine Rag.. Coming Soon This Month..

Wow Gang..Thinlk about all the choices today..I Know I feel like I am at a Ice Cream Palor!

Cheers
Jim Doyle
http://www.shadesofpaper.com

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2009, 05:33:17 am »

Quote from: jdoyle1713

Wow Gang..Thinlk about all the choices today..I Know I feel like I am at a Ice Cream Palor!

Cheers
Jim Doyle
http://www.shadesofpaper.com

Jim,

At the other side of the pond so not affected by the valuta changes on European papers but I wonder whether some printer manufacturer's rebranded HM papers become more attractive in the US as price contracts in $'s may keep them lower for some time. Any sign of that?

met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/

jdoyle1713 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2009, 10:09:57 am »

Ernest

Still No word on that yet! Should be intersteting to see.. I have made the calls and will let all know once I do

Cheers
Jim Doyle
http://www.shadesofpaper.com

jsparks · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:54:01 pm »

Quote from: Rob C

I´m looking to find something that will allow me to move over from matte, which I have never really liked that much but which printed well on my HP B9180, a model I think you also use for some of your work.

Rob C

I just saw this and it looks like no one commented from the standpoint of a B9180 user. I tried several of the Baryta papers with the B9180 and found that the ink pools up on most of them (the beads of ink are pretty small, but makes the prints look grainy or noisy). I know I tried the Harmon, the Ilford and whatever the third paper choice that was available at the time, I can't remember now). Of these three papers, the only paper I found that didn't have this was the Harmon. I have continued to use the Harmon, but I sometimes have problems with head strikes (this is with 13x19 paper). I haven't tried any of the newer Baryta papers. I end up using much more of the HP satin paper than the Baryta paper because it is so much less problematic. The Baryta paper does look better when everything works right.

I would strongly recommend getting some sample packs of paper before committing to an expensive box of paper.

john milich · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2009, 10:53:37 am »

i'm looking to print on 36" wide rolls, not so available.
has anyone found a source that will cut a 44" roll into a 11 and a 33" or similar?

jm

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