I wasn't going to even think of bothering you about his issue, married boy. You've done far enough for us, and it's not your baby to deal with. There is an HP guy who is working on this - a whole group of them I think. They are going to replace my Pro Satin (and hopefullly all the tons of wasted ink!) He is still trying to identify if there are indeed any good rolls out there at all. I suspect from Doug's very recent experience with files just like mine that there are good rolls and bad rolls in circulation. The problem in identifying this is that it only shows up for the most part with black and darker colored backgrounds. So, most people using it for other subjects, that don't have large smooth areas in the middle of the 44" roll, wouldn't notice it. What is disturbing is that this exact same location of the 44" roll being coated poorly was well described here two years ago and, either nothing has changed in production, OR there are tons of 2 years old rolls being sold, which I sincerely doubt. I hit three bad ones out of three in a row. The one before that was good.
In the permanence area, if you guys are at all interested in finding out more about Mark's valuable research into all this PLEASE visit and join his site. This is going to tell us a lot about inks AND MEDIA. Wilhelm tells us almost nothing really about media.
Interestingly enough, if you check the HP Vivera chart on Wilhelm Research website under Hp Pro Satin he says there are NO oba's present. Very confusing for us consumers to say the least. The media is noticeably warmer than many similar papers.
What Mark just described about oba burnout is very disheartening, especially rating lower than the Premium Luster. Especially considering that the rolls of Premium Luster are twice as long! However, I just did a job on the Z with Premium Luster with black backgrounds (had no choice or time) and although it works, I just can't get over the buck shot texture of that stuff, even for large things.
Someone just mentioned that Lexjet is marketing an rc E Satin that works well on the Z, and there is that new Moab Lasal. Don't know where Legion gets that stuff, Ilford? Who knows where all this stuff comes from and who actually makes it and which ones come from the same factories. I'm suspicious that none of them are going to exhibit the total elimination of gloss differiental and bronzing issues the way Pro Satin does with these inks.
I also am very interested in knowing why other companies are not using non-oba whiteners like the Chromata canvas in their whiter media? I believe Marks tests of the BC canvas is going to hell us more about just how much better it is faring, if any. I'm afraid there are going to be a lot of grayish blotchy looking rc prints floating around in galleries in 10 years. If my clients come to hang me I'll need a witness.
All I Can Say is WOW!! Few Things.. HP will replace the paper Thats a Given if you have a problem getting it replaced John Call me..Mark what an explanation..Thats deep stuff..Nice By the way Gang.. Red Revir & breathing Color do not make papers or Canvas they simply Have a mill make it and than have it converted to there spec and label it! I guess you could call them a manufacture to a degree but they DO Not make these papers Nor does HP, Canon, Epson, Moab or for the record any Private label company..
Hope everyone is doing well I have been not participating in the last few months .. But I am back