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DougBG

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« on: April 17, 2009, 02:44:19 am »

Two part question:
1. For framing under mat -  what do you recommend as the minimum margin size?
2. When quoting photo size, do you measure with or without margin?
I have been checking a large number of websites and there seems to be no clear policy. I've got my own ideas, but now I'm beginning to doubt myself.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2009, 07:50:50 pm »

OK, let's try another approach. How would describe a 16x24 with 1/2" margins (printed on 24" roll paper) - a 16x24 or a 15x23?
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 02:40:31 am »

This came up in a talk given by a museum curator, he said for his catalog descriptions flat art is quoted by the actual image size without allowing for any area the matte or frame might cover.  So by that rationale 15x23 is right for your 16 x 24 with the 1/2" white borders.  I have once in a while seen something like "to fit a 16 x 20 frame" in a print description, that would seem to allow some wiggle room on actual size, you could reasonably assume the rabbet would cover 1/4 to 1/2 all the way around and therefore the print doesn't need to be quite as big.  I suppose what matters is that if you quote a size bigger than the actual image size, you need to add some qualification in your description.

In the case where a paper matte is to cover part of the image, usually about 1/8" to 1/4" of the border of the image is covered, which reduces the viewable width of the print by 1/4 to 1/2".  You gotta be a little brave to cut 1/8" overlap mattes, for images bigger than about 13x19 you should go for 3/16" to 1/4" to allow for any gradual sagging or shrinking of the matte and generally make like life easier.  Although one feels compelled to minimize any print obscuration, nothing looks as stupid in the frame as a piece of white border peeking out from under the matte in just one area.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 04:23:26 am »

I think Bill may be answering how much image bleed for protecting the live area of a matte window.  If you are asking about how much unprinted border, I find that less than 1 1/2" on all sides seems wimpy and not befitting a fine art print, if ever viewed unmatted in the delivery/sale process.  It may just be a hang up of mine, though, and is certainly not required from a framing standpoint.  I typically like to trim my mid size and larger prints by using a 2" wide stainless steel rule with a beveled cutting edge.  I lay the opposite side of the rule against the edge of the image and gauge it that way, without needing to measure.  YMMV.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 11:10:42 am »

Quote from: DougBG
Two part question:
1. For framing under mat -  what do you recommend as the minimum margin size?
2. When quoting photo size, do you measure with or without margin?
I have been checking a large number of websites and there seems to be no clear policy. I've got my own ideas, but now I'm beginning to doubt myself.

For #1, I use .5" on smaller (8.5x11" prints) and 1" on larger prints (17x22").

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 01:45:22 pm »

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I think Bill may be answering how much image bleed for protecting the live area of a matte window.
True, I'm in denial about those silly white, graffiti-filled margins we photographers like to inflict on our images.  Strange affectation, artists working in other media mostly avoid it.

Busy margins degrade the image and are at least as distracting as for instance somebody trying to hijack a thread.  That stuff belongs on the back, and on the tag on the wall at the gallery.  If somebody really wants to know they can look in those places, otherwise I would hope they would try to enjoy the unobstructed image.  

Marginal inscriptions beyond signatures turn the image into a commodity.  Manufacturers of TV sets are courteous enough to make their sales labels removable, photographers are not so considerate.  Maybe on my next show I will just encode all that information on UPC bars printed in the margin.  When somebody enters the gallery they are handed a scanner.  You heard it here first.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 10:18:16 am »

Quote from: bill t.
In the case where a paper matte is to cover part of the image, usually about 1/8" to 1/4" of the border of the image is covered, which reduces the viewable width of the print by 1/4 to 1/2".  You gotta be a little brave to cut 1/8" overlap mattes, for images bigger than about 13x19 you should go for 3/16" to 1/4" to allow for any gradual sagging or shrinking of the matte and generally make like life easier.  Although one feels compelled to minimize any print obscuration, nothing looks as stupid in the frame as a piece of white border peeking out from under the matte in just one area.

Thanks, i was deliberating that very point yesterday.
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