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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 07:02:39 pm »

Just for the record - in case anyone's interested - last P45+ sold privately on eBay (with some Value Added Warranty remaining) went for $13.5k; last P45+ from a dealer went on eBay for $12.5k. Both looked in great condiditon.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2010, 07:29:47 pm »

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More than the cost from dealer to dealer is the value of the service they provide.  I switched from my local dealer to Capture Integration because of their fantastic support.  

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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2010, 09:49:22 pm »

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Doing taxes right now today and that Section 179 is a freaking gift from God himself. LOL

Remember:  "Tax effective accounting" IS NOT "tax avoidance" BUT the latter can deemed the former quite effectively as "avoidance".  Huh?
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2010, 10:17:49 pm »

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Remember:  "Tax effective accounting" IS NOT "tax avoidance" BUT the latter can deemed the former quite effectively as "avoidance".  Huh?

 I like to call it lowering the nut. LOL
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 02:12:48 am »

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Well P45+ used/demo units are selling in the $16K-$17K range from a dealer, lower from end user to end user. Since you receive $25K credit on a P65+ upgrade, trading in a P45+ rather than selling it nets you an extra $8K - $9K.

I am positive digital upgrades will never stop, but it would be nice to see a little more sanity in the way they are performed.

I 've always thought it was s shame to just chuck a still good digital camera or back to upgrade to the next and I think RED is on to something.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/red-one...rade-next-week/

A $5,750 sensor upgrade that gives a 400 iso base sensitivity without having to throw out anything, (but the sensor).

When you think about what your $40,000 digital back is worth used on today's market which is less than 1/2  price, or the cost of upgrading to the p65 at $17,500, you have to wonder why?

I know how much I've made off my Phase backs, Canon cameras and lenses and know that today they are still as viable as they were 12 months ago and since they're still working, still in use and no client is asking me for more in the still photography image area, for me the next step up is better motion capture.

Comparing the total costs of systems to a p65+ at $50,000 to a complete RED including 5 prime lenses, viewfinders, lcds, rods and mounting  that can come in workable and ready to shoot at $51,000 to $55,000, the price of the still camera world doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it depends on what you do and what you plan to do, but I look at a camera as not how much I can take off my taxes but how much I can add to my repertoire and billing.

BC

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2010, 03:03:53 am »

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I am positive digital upgrades will never stop, but it would be nice to see a little more sanity in the way they are performed.

I 've always thought it was s shame to just chuck a still good digital camera or back to upgrade to the next and I think RED is on to something.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/red-one...rade-next-week/

A $5,750 sensor upgrade that gives a 400 iso base sensitivity without having to throw out anything, (but the sensor).

When you think about what your $40,000 digital back is worth used on today's market which is less than 1/2  price, or the cost of upgrading to the p65 at $17,500, you have to wonder why?

I know how much I've made off my Phase backs, Canon cameras and lenses and know that today they are still as viable as they were 12 months ago and since they're still working, still in use and no client is asking me for more in the still photography image area, for me the next step up is better motion capture.

Comparing the total costs of systems to a p65+ at $50,000 to a complete RED including 5 prime lenses, viewfinders, lcds, rods and mounting  that can come in workable and ready to shoot at $51,000 to $55,000, the price of the still camera world doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it depends on what you do and what you plan to do, but I look at a camera as not how much I can take off my taxes but how much I can add to my repertoire and billing.

BC

Looks like your perfect camera is just around the corner, B (no price yet, but I guess it'll be competitive):

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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2010, 05:10:36 am »

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I am positive digital upgrades will never stop, but it would be nice to see a little more sanity in the way they are performed.

I 've always thought it was s shame to just chuck a still good digital camera or back to upgrade to the next and I think RED is on to something.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/red-one...rade-next-week/

A $5,750 sensor upgrade that gives a 400 iso base sensitivity without having to throw out anything, (but the sensor).

When you think about what your $40,000 digital back is worth used on today's market which is less than 1/2  price, or the cost of upgrading to the p65 at $17,500, you have to wonder why?

I know how much I've made off my Phase backs, Canon cameras and lenses and know that today they are still as viable as they were 12 months ago and since they're still working, still in use and no client is asking me for more in the still photography image area, for me the next step up is better motion capture.

Comparing the total costs of systems to a p65+ at $50,000 to a complete RED including 5 prime lenses, viewfinders, lcds, rods and mounting  that can come in workable and ready to shoot at $51,000 to $55,000, the price of the still camera world doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it depends on what you do and what you plan to do, but I look at a camera as not how much I can take off my taxes but how much I can add to my repertoire and billing.

BC


I did all three so that helped a great deal. Thank you very much
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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2010, 06:49:59 am »

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Remember:  "Tax effective accounting" IS NOT "tax avoidance" BUT the latter can deemed the former quite effectively as "avoidance".  Huh?

I don't know the small print of leasing in other Countries but here in the UK, leasing has been pushed as the best tax efficient means to acquire new equipment. Its increase in popularity is due more to tightening of laws to benefit the consumer on traditional HP agreements. Leasing does have advantages here in the UK, not always as great as the salesman would have you believe. Leasing does have one huge drawback, you have no entitlement to the equipment, what you have is an agreement to pay x amount of money per month. You will find the leasing company is within it's rights to take back the equipment if you default on payments but you will still owe the remainder of the lease. So if you find yourself in a position where you can not pay the lease, you could lose the equipment and ability to earn with it and be left with the debt. Just something to keep in mind, I would rather HP and own the equipment, plus if you do default the equipment after a certain period is yours so you could sell it to claw back some money to pay the loan company. No body intends to be in a position of not being able to pay, things do change and circumstances are not always within your control.

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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2010, 06:34:34 pm »

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Hi,

I am now currently using H1 with P45 and looking to upgrade to P65+.  The problem I have is that my dealer whom I bought the P25, and subsequently upgraded to P45, is charging me a lot for the upgrade to P65+.  My question, therefore, is whether I have to o the upgrade with my original dealer or can I go to any Phase One distributor (obviosuly to somewhere they charge less)?  If so, can someone recommend me a place where the cost can be minimized.

Greatly appreciate it.

Rgds,
Ed

If you do upgrade to a P65+, be careful about a firmware update on the H1. The people at Phase One are telling me that the lastest H firmware (9.5.0) is not compatible with the P65+.
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