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dlashier

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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2003, 01:34:51 am »

> I would be inclined to say the histogram is even more usless since it will not be a predictor of either C1 or CR's conversion. . .

Jeff, I rarely take a *close* look at the histo on camera, only using it as a sanity check (primarily watching for under-exposure as the flashing alerts me to possible over). For one thing the thing's darn hard to see out in the sun!

> If one takes the care to spot meter various tones in the scene,

That's the only method I use anymore, and after using it for a while you get surprisingly good at running with just a single spot reading in fast paced situations, knowing from experience where you should place it and where the others will fall. When leisure permits I'll meter both ends and probably the prominent subject also.

> I shoot is in the studio where I can control the scene's contrast.

Wish I had that luxury. My version is to wait for just the right thickness of cloud or fogbank to pass giving me the contrast I want, or the right time of day.

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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2003, 03:50:54 pm »

>With subjects of modest contrast range, exposing to the right is probably not of much practical value:
 on one hand, it will give more levels at each subject brightness level, and these extra gradations will then be preserved when one does compensating EC downwards in 16-bit mode,

Please explain how the extra gradations will be preserved when you do compensating EC downwards. There must be something I'm missing here.

> Perhaps comparing these two approaches in the field is preferable than endless attempts to anwer the question theoretically.

My observations here are based on comparing exposure approaches in the field and references to theory are only to understand what I saw in the field.

> is that image data to the right side of the histogram is of higher quality (less noise, defined by more bits) than image data to the left.

Less noise, yes, but higher quality overall? It depends. I actually do use this technique on occasion but it involves shots where I'm not pulling the shadows back down, only the highlights. But my 'motivation' in these cases is not to arbitrarily push data to the right but to expose for the shadows (taking care to not blow highlights) in split tonality situations. This means that later I can pull highlights down rather than pushing shadows up resulting in cleaner shadows. I'll post an example later.

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« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2003, 03:39:05 am »

Victor, Don,
According to Chris Cox (Photoshop guru):
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Gamma encoding makes use of the eye's known sensitivity to store the data in a way that minimizes the visible difference between the reproduced and original scenes with a limited number of values (bits).  In other words, the image is stored in a way that is perceptually uniform -- an equal number of pixel values are used for equal areas of perceived lightness.

You can read more here http://chriscox.org/gamma/.

Here are additional sites with interesting information  on gamma:

   http://research.microsoft.com/~hollasch/cg...olor/gamma.html

   http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/gamma/gamma.html

   http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/evaluation/gamma_error/index.htm

   http://www.poynton.com/notes/colour_and_gamma/GammaFAQ.html

   http://www.cgsd.com/papers/gamma.html

Here are a couple web sites that allow you to evaluate your monitor's gamma:

     http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~efros/java/gamma/gamma.html

     http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/evaluation/gamma_space/index.htm

So what does it all mean?

Enjoy!

-- Jim
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« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2003, 07:26:39 pm »

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> Finally a film example, so far I have failed to get this much  from a digital camera, I'll keep playing!

Oh I think digital will handle that, albeit possibly with a slightly different effect. Just watch out for artifacting in the highlights.
I have found the Fuji S2 sensitive to overexposure, and recovery using Raw files is limited.

I sill have my S2, but it has been joined by a Kodak 14n.  I have been stunned by the Kodak Raw and ERI Jpeg +/- 2 stop exposure recovery.  Goodbye blown highlights, hello incredible dynamic range and after the event exposure recovery, plus (with the latest software) great colour.  This is how digital is meant to be.  Its like bracketing with one shot. You hear a lot (reasonably) about the negatives (noise mainly) with the 14n, but (a) its not that bad, even at high-ish ISO and ( the detail plus this exposure thing is a wonder to behold.

I never believed I'd buy this camera, but I am glad I did. And I have the S2 to fall back on for low light.

Quentin  :)
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