Hi digitaldo, Hi MarkDS, thanks for the great reply.
ok this is what i got. but first, i should of mentioned that my monitor is calibrated and profiled using spider3 and i do have lab profiles. ok first i adjusted my pics in LR, then in the print mod saved it with the lab profile and one in sRGB profile. had both developed(printed) and what i found was that both pictures looked totally different. i went further and open PS and with the same picture from LR, went to the LIBRARY MOD exported as a sRGB, 16bit. now in PS, i changed to bit to 8bit, turned ON soft proof for that lab and what i found out was that the print with the lab profile looked exactly like the monitor with soft proof turned on (no adjustment made. just turn on soft proof with CTRL + Y i use windows) to me this all means. just do it like before, use PS. since im new to LR i thought there was a faster way to get this done. i was wrong...
digitaldo, MarkDS can i ask you, whats your color management work flow as far as printing exactly what you see on the monitor?
Good - so now you know your answer - you have the workflow that achieves your objective.
Re your question about my workflow: I do my own printing - never use a lab - but the principle is identical. I maximize the amount of image adjustment I can do in LR because it is the least destructive image adjustment process (same for Camera Raw BTW) and has some very neat features. I don't worry about profiles or printing at this stage. Once I've used LR as much as it allows and I need, I then export the file to Photoshop as a ProPhoto 16-bit image. By this time, most of them need very little more work on luminance and colour. I activate softproof using the profile I had made for the paper and printer I'm using (Ilford Gold Fibre Silk in an Epson 3800), I make sure "Simulate Paper White" is active in the softproof, do the final luminance and colour adjustments with this softproof condition active, then do output sharpening with PK Sharpener Inket Output Sharpener, and then send the file to print with Photoshop Manages Color active in the Photoshop print dialog and "No Color Management" selected in the printer driver dialog. It's about as straightforward as that and reliable.