Were these taken with the LX3?
Neither, unfortunately, since both used about 120-140 mm effective zoom on the TZ5. That's too bad because both show the effects of greater noise from the lesser camera. To date, I'm still getting about 3-4 times more images with the TZ5, even with landscapes, because of the zoom. Most places around Ohio require careful cropping, since it's not as wide open as the Western U.S.