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« on: December 17, 2008, 02:10:14 am »

Which Hasselblad V body will couple to a Phase One P+ series back with the least amount of wiring?

I am considering the 503CW, 503CXI and the 555ELD

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 09:28:08 am »

Any and all of those will work.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 09:28:34 am »

As an added comment. Any Hasselblad V series body is fine. The only exceptions are focal plane Hasselblads. Although there is a workaround for those its not exactly an elegant solution.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 10:01:42 am »

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Which Hasselblad V body will couple to a Phase One P+ series back with the least amount of wiring?

I am considering the 503CW, 503CXI and the 555ELD

Cheers
Tim


Tim,

Do note that both the 503CW and 503CXI only need a single cable from the lens to the Phase One back to fire.  The 555ELD can be fired remotely from your computer if you attach the extra cable from the motor drive to 8 pin socket on the P and P+ Phase One DBs.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 10:13:26 am »

Heck, as long as we're at it. If you have a winder for the 503 you can also trigger remotely through either your computer when tethered or with the infrared remote from Hasselblad. Renote trigerring from your computer will require a 503 motor cable that you can get from your local Phase One dealer.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 10:24:34 am »

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Tim,

Do note that both the 503CW and 503CXI only need a single cable from the lens to the Phase One back to fire.  The 555ELD can be fired remotely from your computer if you attach the extra cable from the motor drive to 8 pin socket on the P and P+ Phase One DBs.

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You can also use Hasselblad lenses on the Phase One body with an adapter. They must be operated in manual stop down mode and the flash sync will be determined by the body rather than the lens since the shutter in the lens will remain open. This allows you to use older/classic lenses that you love while keeping the option of autofocus/autoexposure and modern lenses.

Not everyone's cup of tea, but I know some of our customers have really taken to it.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 04:22:22 pm »

You may want to consider a 553ELX.  I have this with an Imacon back and I am very happy.  You can fire it directly from the computer and they go for about $500 used (instead $2k+ for the ELD)

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 07:25:42 am »

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Which Hasselblad V body will couple to a Phase One P+ series back with the least amount of wiring?

I am considering the 503CW, 503CXI and the 555ELD

Cheers
Tim




One thing to keep in mind when you are using any Hasselblad V system is that it is very easy to shoot too fast aqnd over run the buffer. The P backs have less ram inside than the Plus backs. So when you are shooting tethered, it is possible to shoot too fast and cause an over run in the buffer which will corupt images and casue misfires. The only Hasselblad V system that can control this is the 555 ELD. I really think this is important if you are shooting people. That body is rock solid with all V P1 backs. The other bodies work fine but this is one consideration I would keep in mind when shopping for a body. None of the AF camera bodies do this.


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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 10:43:25 pm »

What is a fair price for a 503CW body in excellent condition? What about a 555ELD?

What are the differences between the 2 ?

I intend to shoot handheld. (I would get the cw winder)
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 01:14:49 am »

The 503CW is the current V-system body, they are mechanical, with the Gliding Mirror System (GMS). Used price seems to be around US$1K including waist-level viewfinder, body and caps.

The 555ELD is the final and digital version of the motorised EL series of cameras. They use AA batteries contained in a sort of shoe, or base in the bottom of the camera, supposedly ideal for use with a digital back, and it seems to have electronic contacts to communicate with a digital back. From what I can tell, it can work with certain digital backs like the Ixpress series without the need for a sync cable. But the used price in excellent condition seems to be around US$2,300.

They both use the C-series Hasselblad lenses with leaf shutter.

You can find a document on the Hasselblad website that details the difference, at the bottom of this page:
http://www.hasselblad.com/downloads/techni...nformation.aspx

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2008, 02:22:54 am »

They all need a sync cable from the lens to the back. The only backs that don't need that are the CFV's. Together with the 555ELD the Ixpress backs can be used without a sync cable when you use a V-adapter with contacts (most adapters I have seen have those).

I have used 553ELX & the 503CW. I have never overshot a 500series, to me that sounds like a 'contradictio in termine'. Maybe there are people that can or will overshoot those cameras. Personally I would opt for the 503. It is much lighter and smaller than the 555ELD or the 553ELX which made me prefer it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008, 03:33:41 am »

I have a 503cw and never regretted it. They are cheap, under 1300 Euro with a winder, film back, WLF. Most lenses, except the latest 40mm are cheap and easy to find used.
Try to find one for a few days and do some tests.
The Winder takes 6 AA batteries. If you ever run out of batteries, to the Winder off, and use the body like a 501.
The 503cw is lighter, yes, and can be carried around for a day, it's a beast in studio, and on location.

If you are not used to manual focus, it can be a bit tricky, but there are different viewfinders available. Mirror slap or camera shake is not an issue handheld if you work 1/125 or higher (with a film back i can use 1/60 easily).


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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 04:43:20 am »

On a related note, what is the difference between a 203FE and 205FCC, apart from the Zone System control? Is it worth going for the 205 over the 203?
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 12:31:53 pm »

I have been looking at the prices on Ebay for 503CW kits.

They seem quite high. I intend to shoot digitally eventually. I was drawn to the V system because
of the availability of many great lenses for cheap.

Now that I have seen the prices, I see that I can get a Hasselblad H1 kit for pretty much the same price
as a 503CW kit.

Should I look at the H1 instead?

I shoot fashion, btw

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 12:44:42 pm »

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They all need a sync cable from the lens to the back. The only backs that don't need that are the CFV's. Together with the 555ELD the Ixpress backs can be used without a sync cable when you use a V-adapter with contacts (most adapters I have seen have those).


With the exception of the 555ELD, as was previously noted, which requires no cable when used with a Phase One DB. If tethered shooting is desired, then either a 553ELX or 555ELD will capture from the Capture One application via a keystroke, and even in this mode the 555ELD will not require a cable from camera to back.


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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2008, 11:22:23 pm »

Quote from: Dolce Moda Photography
I have been looking at the prices on Ebay for 503CW kits.

They seem quite high. I intend to shoot digitally eventually. I was drawn to the V system because
of the availability of many great lenses for cheap.

Now that I have seen the prices, I see that I can get a Hasselblad H1 kit for pretty much the same price
as a 503CW kit.

Should I look at the H1 instead?

I shoot fashion, btw

Hi
We used to own a 500cm & then switched to the Mamiya 645 AFD system. Much happier & at least it has AF. My problem with the old V system was focusing......................a real PAIN. If you go with the H platform go the whole way with the Hasselblad back ( H3DII). If you want to go with Phase & want a complete system that has a future then go with the AFDIII or Phase body. The lenses are excellent for the money.
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2008, 10:23:49 am »

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With the exception of the 555ELD, as was previously noted, which requires no cable when used with a Phase One DB. If tethered shooting is desired, then either a 553ELX or 555ELD will capture from the Capture One application via a keystroke, and even in this mode the 555ELD will not require a cable from camera to back.


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A correction here - the 555ELD does still require the sync cable. It does not require the motor drive cable when shooting tethered.


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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2008, 11:56:14 am »

One thing to factor in is focus speed.  The older Hasselblad V series would be slower to focus than the newer H system, but the cost of lenses are much higher on the H system.  Take a look at KEH camera at some of their older 500 CM bodies.  You can pick up a 500 CM (body only) in EX condition for $310.00 US.  www.keh.com  

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2008, 01:50:09 pm »

I have decided to go with the H-system. I have found a local seller with an H1 kit for a great price. The lenses are not a factor for me, as the local rental houses have them for rent for reasonable prices.
Thank you guys for all your assistance!

I just saw a video of Peter Lindbergh shooting Kate Hudson for Harper's Bazaar with an H1 with a Phase One back. If it's good enough for him... it's good enough for me!  

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2008, 04:37:45 pm »

Quote from: Dolce Moda Photography
I have decided to go with the H-system. I have found a local seller with an H1 kit for a great price. The lenses are not a factor for me, as the local rental houses have them for rent for reasonable prices.
Thank you guys for all your assistance!

I just saw a video of Peter Lindbergh shooting Kate Hudson for Harper's Bazaar with an H1 with a Phase One back. If it's good enough for him... it's good enough for me!  

Peter Lindberg and the H1/PhaseOne

Hi
If you are going to use Phase why go with the H camera? There is no future with Hasselblad & Phase. Two years ago Hasselblad started going there own way & stopped making the H2 body last year. You cannot use the 28mm lens with Phase.
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