Phase 65+ launch Sydney

[mcfoto]

Hi
Went to the Phase One P65+ & Capture One Pro launch on Monday night here in Sydney @ L&P Sydney. I will keep it in point form.

A new Phase body  will be coming around mid 2009.
The new Leica S2 camera lenses will also work with the Phase One camera. I found this very interesting but no further details were mentioned? This is because of the alliance with Leica.
The new software looks amazing & I will look at this for our Canon 1DsMKIII.
Vertical grip.
The camera shoots very fast 1.0 f/s & is 98% full frame.
 You could take files away on the night shot with the P65+.

Cheers Denis

[gwhitf]

You could take files away on the night shot with the P65+.

Did they have some homeless drunk cowboy model guy there to test it on, to count the pores and the lack of redness around the nose, and the whiskers on his face?

[Steve Hendrix]

Hi
Went to the Phase One P65+ & Capture One Pro launch on Monday night here in Sydney @ L&P Sydney. I will keep it in point form.

A new Phase body  will be coming around mid 2009.
The new Leica S2 camera lenses will also work with the Phase One camera. I found this very interesting but no further details were mentioned? This is because of the alliance with Leica.
The new software looks amazing & I will look at this for our Canon 1DsMKIII.
Vertical grip.
The camera shoots very fast 1.0 f/s & is 98% full frame.
 You could take files away on the night shot with the P65+.

Cheers Denis

You know, this is the first I have heard of S2 Leica lenses also working with the Phase One 645 camera. I had heard there is some cooperative involvement, but had not heard any specifics. I'm going to try and confirm or deny this. I think if it is true, that is a pretty major development. But like I said, I have no confirmation yet. The camera I knew about, and the vertical grip (another significant development) has already been announced and should ship 1st quarter, 2009.


Steve Hendrix
Phase One

[Nick-T]

You know, this is the first I have heard of S2 Leica lenses also working with the Phase One 645 camera. I had heard there is some cooperative involvement, but had not heard any specifics. I'm going to try and confirm or deny this. I think if it is true, that is a pretty major development. But like I said, I have no confirmation yet. The camera I knew about, and the vertical grip (another significant development) has already been announced and should ship 1st quarter, 2009.


Steve Hendrix
Phase One

Steve I heard this from a Leica guy at 'kina but he did say the details remained to be worked out.

Nick-T

[Guy Mancuso]

You know, this is the first I have heard of S2 Leica lenses also working with the Phase One 645 camera. I had heard there is some cooperative involvement, but had not heard any specifics. I'm going to try and confirm or deny this. I think if it is true, that is a pretty major development. But like I said, I have no confirmation yet. The camera I knew about, and the vertical grip (another significant development) has already been announced and should ship 1st quarter, 2009.


Steve Hendrix
Phase One

Steve I have heard this also but not from leica and i am pretty tight with Leica and some of the executive side and this has not come up but this is a major development if it is truly the case. I would really like to know if this maybe the case. The S2 will be out in 2009 early summer but no definitive date. More info will be around in January from what i am told including announcements on Pro service from them. The alliance with Phase one announced at Photokinia is still a work in progress and nothing definitive or being said publicly on it as far as how deep this really is. Obviously this would be of great interest to Phase/ Mamiya body shooters. Just the S2 announced 30mm T/S lens is one for the bag

[Carsten W]

Steve I have heard this also but not from leica and i am pretty tight with Leica and some of the executive side and this has not come up but this is a major development if it is truly the case. I would really like to know if this maybe the case. The S2 will be out in 2009 early summer but no definitive date. More info will be around in January from what i am told including announcements on Pro service from them. The alliance with Phase one announced at Photokinia is still a work in progress and nothing definitive or being said publicly on it as far as how deep this really is. Obviously this would be of great interest to Phase/ Mamiya body shooters. Just the S2 announced 30mm T/S lens is one for the bag

I expect that the lenses have different physical mounts, but the rest of the lens could certainly be shared between the cameras. That would be a major coup for Phase One, and I wonder what they could have offered Leica to get this?

[Guy Mancuso]

Carsten from some of the images on the Leica S2 glass it appears to have 4 lugs in the mount and the Mamiya has three. First thing I checked or Jack checked when this was rumored but I see no reason there could not be a mount change to have it fit from Leica itself. Obviously the lens flange distance would have to be correct and all that tech stuff. But honestly i think this is a excellent idea for leica, we all know Leica is a glass company before anything else and why not get revenue outside your own camera's. I know I would buy some glass for my Phase body that maybe i would not have bought the S2 in the first place let's say. Folks that want the S2 will get the S2 but others wanting not to switch systems than it is a good market for them to sell the glass.

[paulmoorestudio]

Carsten from some of the images on the Leica S2 glass it appears to have 4 lugs in the mount and the Mamiya has three. First thing I checked or Jack checked when this was rumored but I see no reason there could not be a mount change to have it fit from Leica itself. Obviously the lens flange distance would have to be correct and all that tech stuff. But honestly i think this is a excellent idea for leica, we all know Leica is a glass company before anything else and why not get revenue outside your own camera's. I know I would buy some glass for my Phase body that maybe i would not have bought the S2 in the first place let's say. Folks that want the S2 will get the S2 but others wanting not to switch systems than it is a good market for them to sell the glass.

I have not heard anything about the S2 lenses covering 645.. maybe they will have big image circles
 I wish the they would switch to a universal mount like the motion guys have in the pl mount.. and btw if leica does do a mamiya mt. then it could work on the new red epic 645 as well which was just announced.. time for us all to be working smart to pay for this new technology.
I was at a phaseone event wed. in nyc touting the 65+ and there was no mention by dr. klaus about the leica connection.. but he did mention  faster lenses and lenses with leaf shutters are on the way..no one pressed him on it that I heard.

[mcfoto]

Hi
Have been just looking at the RED thread. There 9K unit will use the Mamiya 645 mount! Still no absolute conformation about Leica lenses for the Mamiya 645 AFD but I think Leica might be very keen after this announcement.
Denis

[Mitchell Baum]

It will be a little ironic if you can use S2 lenses on Mamiya and Red, but not Leica R.

Best,

Mitchell

[Graham Mitchell]

I have not heard anything about the S2 lenses covering 645.. maybe they will have big image circles

Very strange. Covering 56x42mm rather than just 45x30mm is a big difference, and would make the lenses more expensive to make at the same optical quality.
This might make sense if Leica is planning to offer larger sensors in the future.
What surprises me is that Leica's best drawcard for its new system is the promise of its best ever lenses. By supplying them in another mount, they will canibalize sales of their own S2.
Let's see what the official announcement says.

[Guy Mancuso]

Well Leica's future will not depend on the S2 sensor size either and they even talk of future sensors (S3) that will replace it in the future . Building lenses for the current sensor size is not what leica will be doing, i would bet pretty heavily the image circle is much bigger than the current S2 offering, even the existing R lenses can handle even more than FF 35mm. On cannibalizing there own S2 offering is a maybe folks will buy it for the speed but many Mamiya shooters and there are a lot will not go to the S2 and switch systems, so yes i see a big after market for there glass. Look at Zeiss they are doing fairly well in supplying Nikon, Leica, Canon, Sony and others and even Voigtlander is making a nice profit from the Leica M8 shooters. I do see your point Graham but I also see a big after market too. I think what you will really see though is leica helping as a 3rd party vendor other companies develop lenses for there bodies, now that is a profit maker.

But I do agree this alliance is far from being settled and until something is really concrete on it, it is a guessing game. Even at the executive level that I speak to leica does not know either.