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« Reply #240 on: November 06, 2008, 06:17:27 pm »

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I was told today by a Sinar UK guy that the 54LV is £4,500. Cheap.


Well I'm even more confused now. Where was he from ?

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« Reply #241 on: November 06, 2008, 06:49:50 pm »

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I was told today by a Sinar UK guy that the 54LV is £4,500. Cheap.

Can you confirm this, please?

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« Reply #242 on: November 06, 2008, 08:03:06 pm »

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I was told today by a Sinar UK guy that the 54LV is £4,500. Cheap.

Better yet, can you post a link  
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« Reply #243 on: November 06, 2008, 11:52:43 pm »

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... If Sinar has no power (by contract) to force their distributors to go with their lowered prices they should better revise their contracts ASAP.

I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Australia I believe that would be called price fixing and is illegal. I'd say that is why they are called recommended prices rather than dictated prices.  I also think that between Australia and USA there is some sort of free trade agreement which could over-ride a manufacturer-distributor territory contract.. maybe other countries have similar arrangements.
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« Reply #244 on: November 07, 2008, 12:24:07 am »

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Wait, wait. I can understand that Sinar does not have a say in the prices that their distibutors calculate to their customers. But it is very, very strange that distributors ask prices higher than the MSRP. Normally any distributor of whatever product would be contractually obliged to at least ask prices not higher than "recommended" prices by the manufacturer. In this specific case something disastrous for Sinar is happening: they announce a special price, but no distributor wants to stick to that recommended price. If Sinar has no power (by contract) to force their distributors to go with their lowered prices they should better revise their contracts ASAP.

Customs duties and local taxes would obviously be different for each country, so it is possible that the price in some countries would be higher than "recommended prices". Many distributors do not keep stock, but will order a back for you, and deliver it within a few days. So stocking and insurance costs are negligible. Shipping a single back would probably cost about $200~300 by Fedex.

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« Reply #245 on: November 07, 2008, 07:57:30 am »

FYI:

I have contacted our distributor in the UK, since many have criticized him and have been confused about the prices there.

The information given to me and the facts are:

- the Sinarback eMotion 54 LV is sold in the UK for £5,500.00

- the webpage has not yet been updated and indicates the old price: our distributor apologizes for this, but a phone call in case of interest for a product would clarify it.

- no price of £4,500.00 has been quoted or given by our distributor.

I can only suggest now to all those wishing to know the prices, to contact the distributor of the respective country to get a clear answer.

Best regards,
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« Reply #246 on: November 07, 2008, 10:06:08 am »

It is becoming apparent that a separate forum dedicated to "Sinar Pricing" should be set up at LL.

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« Reply #247 on: November 07, 2008, 10:17:07 am »

... and it is becoming even more apparent that I should set the "Ignore" button concerning you.

Nobody is asking you to like Sinar, but I am asking you to mind your business.

Thierry

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It is becoming apparent that a separate forum dedicated to "Sinar Pricing" should be set up at LL.
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« Reply #248 on: November 07, 2008, 10:47:01 am »

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- the Sinarback eMotion 54 LV is sold in the UK for £5,500.00
- no price of £4,500.00 has been quoted or given by our distributor.

Thierry, he did say £4,500.00 (I've got my notes as a reference) but a lot of numbers were flying about during our telephone conversation as I'm after a second hy6 and the 65 back - a base iso of 200 is very useful as I intend to keep my 54LV for the 50 iso stuff. It could be that we were talking at cross-purposes at that point.

Still cheap by the way.


All the best,

Carl

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« Reply #249 on: November 07, 2008, 10:52:30 am »

No problem, Carl. For the record, Trevor from Image2output gave me this information.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry, he did say £4,500.00 (I've got my notes as a reference) but a lot of numbers were flying about during our telephone conversation as I'm after a second hy6 and the 65 back - a base iso of 200 is very useful as I intend to keep my 54LV for the 50 iso stuff. It could be that we were talking at cross-purposes at that point.

Still cheap by the way.


All the best,

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« Reply #250 on: November 07, 2008, 10:53:06 am »

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... and it is becoming even more apparent that I should set the "Ignore" button concerning you.

Nobody is asking you to like Sinar, but I am asking you to mind your business.

Thierry

I understand your frustration and anger. Your lack of a sense of humor is inexcusable.

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« Reply #251 on: November 07, 2008, 11:05:35 am »

I have neither any frustration nor a hint of anger. I simply can't stand insulting and disrespectful remarks.

I don't get your humour, pardon me, and I have much better to laugh with my friends here and right now.

If your posts have nothing to contribute but to insult Sinar, then better leave it.

Thierry

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I understand your frustration and anger. Your lack of a sense of humor is inexcusable.
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« Reply #252 on: November 07, 2008, 11:26:08 am »

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It is becoming apparent that a separate forum dedicated to "Sinar Pricing" should be set up at LL.

Give your head a shake!  This is the Sinar pricing thread, if you expected to find something else here, I want some of what you are smoking.
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« Reply #253 on: November 07, 2008, 11:38:15 am »

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I have neither any frustration nor a hint of anger. I simply can't stand insulting and disrespectful remarks.

I don't get your humour, pardon me, and I have much better to laugh with my friends here and right now.

If your posts have nothing to contribute but to insult Sinar, then better leave it.

Thierry

It's clear why you would prefer to engage in an ad hominem little spat with me, but I would suggest your time would be better spent huddling up with the home office back in Switzerland about the lack of coherence and transparency in Sinar's pricing policies.

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« Reply #254 on: November 07, 2008, 11:41:40 am »

I have said it, mind your own business. You don't contribute anything with such posts. You seem to find your own satisfaction only by writing such insulting remarks.

Man, you seem to have a serious problem!

Thierry

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It's clear why you would prefer to engage in an ad hominem little spat with me, but I would suggest your time would be better spent huddling up with the home office back in Switzerland about the lack of coherence and transparency in Sinar's pricing policies.
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« Reply #255 on: November 07, 2008, 12:06:45 pm »

Thierry,
You have the habit of escalating things to each perceived insult (although I have yet to read them as insults).  If you are going to participate as a rep of your company a thick skin approach is needed.  We don't want to see another GetDPI occurrence.  I appreciate your participation here and would like to see it continue.  I did not see anything insulting to hcubell's response that justified your elevated response.
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« Reply #256 on: November 07, 2008, 12:10:05 pm »

A third-party, independent view offered here only as a FWIW in the hopes of calming things down...

It's taken me some time to realize this, but it appears to me that most of the "complaints" about Sinar products and service experiences originate from the US customer base, and more specifically as it relates to US representation of same.  From my own personal experience, I have to agree with Henry in that I've had very poor luck with timely communication or action from US Sinar reps on everything from accurate pricing to getting an obviously defective camera and back repaired.  (And in fact it was finally Thierry via pressure on another forum who got the Sinar ball rolling to get that camera and back repaired -- and thank you again for that Thierry!)

OTOH, it appears that most EU customers have quite the opposite experience and are quite satisfied with Sinar, pricing anomalies aside.  I'll add that I think Thierry does do a good job in his attempts to defend the Sinar name on these forums which are clearly international in nature.  Unfortunately however -- and I suspect it is just a cultural difference -- Thierry's responses and statements usually come across as overly defensive to the point of being rude to anybody (at least to the US participants) who says anything remotely negative about Sinar, and that kind of corporate representation/behavior/culture invariably irritates US consumers...

All offered only FWIW,
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« Reply #257 on: November 07, 2008, 12:15:16 pm »

Excellent point Jack.  I worked in Switzerland in the 80s and really had to adjust my sense of humor/sarcasm and realize things I said could be viewed as too aggressive.  As a lowly currency trader I was expected to tow the line quietly while in the US I was expected to be loud and aggressive in my trading approach.

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« Reply #258 on: November 07, 2008, 12:18:28 pm »

I shall let you debate on my "behaviour", and the difference of cultures, and have now myself a sleep.

Nice weekend to all,
Thierry
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« Reply #259 on: November 07, 2008, 12:23:17 pm »

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Thierry,
You have the habit of escalating things to each perceived insult (although I have yet to read them as insults).  If you are going to participate as a rep of your company a thick skin approach is needed.  We don't want to see another GetDPI occurrence.  I appreciate your participation here and would like to see it continue.  I did not see anything insulting to hcubell's response that justified your elevated response.


few people could have been aware how thierry was flamed in getDPI behind the lines by the owner of this site. no way to communicate this, i tried it also
but my posts have been erased there without any comment, so i quit my participation there as well few days after thierry.
this is not happening here and i hardly doubt that it will ever happen, seeing how michael is leading this forum.
thierry has sent me the emails he received by the owner of getDPI and it was incredible root, unpolite and offensive.

that he get bored here sometimes by people who insult and insult in things which are not in his responsability,-
more so because 95% of this people dont work with hsinar backs, i can undersatnd very well and i admire his patience here and his way to response.
i wouldnt have 10% of it.
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