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« Reply #4320 on: February 02, 2013, 03:10:50 AM »

Jim,

Understand what you mean, though this was a different type of editorial where we staged a "hollywood star" throughout a day or two.

Sony Movie Lot, Beach, Car repair, our studio.



If budget and time had permitted we would have shot a behind the scenes look, i.e. in the trailer, on a larger set, more crew, more extras, but time, budget well those are always limited.

Would have loved to shot a Peter Lindberg type of gig with old Maxwells, black and white, dusty backgrounds, huge crews, but the world doesn't allow much of this anymore.

So, some images need to look really worked, some more real, some dirty, some in between.

Shot fast more sessions than shown in two days.  Great talent, great but small crew.

I like it, I'm proud of it, but would always like to do more, (who wouldn't?) but it is what it is.

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BC

P.S.  8 images with a p21+ and P30+ on our Contax, 2 with a 1ds 3 and an 85mm, 1 with a Nikon D3 and our 200mm f2 (the running image).
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« Reply #4321 on: February 02, 2013, 04:30:44 AM »

"Would have loved to shot a Peter Lindberg type of gig with old Maxwells, black and white, dusty backgrounds, huge crews, but the world doesn't allow much of this anymore. --- BC"

That's an interesting statement.

I've seen a lot of P.L. fashion work, and also his Pirelli(s) (I think he did two: one desert and one movie lot?) and your comment raises a sense of disbelief in my mind. How on Earth does it take a big budget and crew to do what he's known for doing, in the way you described? I've done a lot of location fashion in my career, in many different countries, and I always travelled very light: at the most, apart from the model(s) my wife came along (much as does yours) and helped out in all the different ways a person can. Being alone was the single greatest advantage that I thought that I had: I was left to get along with it and make the best of what I'd been given to shoot. Rarely, I had a client along too - very rarely.

My wonder is this: why should shooting basic, which is what the style tries to emulate, be anything but what it is at face value? If you have the models, the clothes, where's the problem? It seems to me that the key to these sorts of shoot are to be found in access to the interesting locations. Those deserted factories are everywhere in the industrialised world; the snag is having someone let you in to do your thing. I really believe that photography has become a bloated experience that appears to have gathered unto itself an overweight production system about which many complain but few appear to do anything about to reduce. Does the size of crew bear some imaginary relationship to status or ability in client minds? I only ask because I've been out of it for a helluva long time now, and it strikes me as pretty much insane.

P.L's work (in that particular style you referred to) looks simple and can be done simply. Why should it be any more expensive than any other location shoot?

Note: I'm not referring here to you own shoot, by the way, but to the concept of simplicity having to be super-expensive relative to anything else.

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« Reply #4322 on: February 02, 2013, 05:02:09 AM »

"Would have loved to shot a Peter Lindberg type of gig with old Maxwells, black and white, dusty backgrounds, huge crews, but the world doesn't allow much of this anymore. --- BC"

That's an interesting statement.

I've seen a lot of P.L. fashion work, and also his Pirelli(s) (I think he did two: one desert and one movie lot?) and your comment raises a sense of disbelief in my mind. How on Earth does it take a big budget and crew to do what he's known for doing, in the way you described? I've done a lot of location fashion in my career, in many different countries, and I always travelled very light: at the most, apart from the model(s) my wife came along (much as does yours) and helped out in all the different ways a person can. Being alone was the single greatest advantage that I thought that I had: I was left to get along with it and make the best of what I'd been given to shoot. Rarely, I had a client along too - very rarely.

My wonder is this: why should shooting basic, which is what the style tries to emulate, be anything but what it is at face value? If you have the models, the clothes, where's the problem? It seems to me that the key to these sorts of shoot are to be found in access to the interesting locations. Those deserted factories are everywhere in the industrialised world; the snag is having someone let you in to do your thing. I really believe that photography has become a bloated experience that appears to have gathered unto itself an overweight production system about which many complain but few appear to do anything about to reduce. Does the size of crew bear some imaginary relationship to status or ability in client minds? I only ask because I've been out of it for a helluva long time now, and it strikes me as pretty much insane.

P.L's work (in that particular style you referred to) looks simple and can be done simply. Why should it be any more expensive than any other location shoot?

Note: I'm not referring here to you own shoot, by the way, but to the concept of simplicity having to be super-expensive relative to anything else.

Rob C




I hate taking this section of the thread off topic, but maybe that's just the way it goes.

You may not have had client's on set but PL did.  Plus knowing celebs, about a million directives thrown at his producer.  Ever deal with a star's agent, manager, personal assistant?  That hair and makeup person you would hire for ___fill in the blanks___ will triple because they usually want their special person flown in at their special person's rate.
Look at that IWC Schaffhausen watch spread with Kevin Spacey and Kate Blanchett.  Those two are expensive and powerful.  Every prop from cars, to boats, to vintage cameras have to be sourced, found and placed.  Then add the catering for the talent and for that type of talent is about double the day unless they're normal folk and most stars are not normal folk.

Rob, you've shot with models on location, done it well,  had a lot of latitude,  but when you get that level of involvement from that many people, managers, agents, just the wardrobe truck is probably larger than 90% off any lighting truck in Hollywood.

The good news is having that talent to toss the names out gets you a lot of free wardrobe, but it takes a a lot of pressers and seamstress to get it ready.

I might be wrong, I wasn't there, but I can tell you what nearly everything in this business costs and that watch project he shot costs a bunch, or his producer pulled some amazingly good favors.

All that talent has brands to protect and the retouching, regardless of what was really paid and regardless of how real it looks at retail value is higher than 99.99999% of any shoot shown on this forum.

The only thing that would lower the price is if it was a movie set and he was allowed a day or so just to use anything they had on set and shoot what he wanted, but advertising rarely works that way.

I'm not excusing the shoot I did, I like it and I have almost free run of the Sony Lot due to a great business relationship, but that doesn't allow me to go onto any sound stage and start shooting, or grab someone's arriflex and use it as a prop.

Everything we shoot we have to bring in.  Hell the errors and omissions insurance and liability riders, city permits (yes you sometimes have to cut permits in culver city even on a movie lot) on our shoot can be as much as a small crew.

This is now a very expensive business.

IMO


P.S.  One note, Europe usually is a lot easier and cheaper to shoot this style of project than America.  People will let yo use a restaurant without 22 waivers and a letter from the marketing department.

Police don't hassel you on every corner like in the U.S. and there is usually a respect for the art that I don't see in L.A.



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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4323 on: February 02, 2013, 09:55:48 AM »

I appreciate what you say, BC, but it's not about what I'm questioning, which is why those simple, old-factory interior shoots have to be expensive beyond the model and photographer fees. I don't think Lindbergh only shoots actresses and as far as I know, neither Vogue nor Harper's pays anybody much for taking part, but see it as their helping the models/snappers get exposure for commercial work as spin-off from the editorial. And it's editorial work that I think of when I think of Lindbergh's factory shoots. Long ago, but what I got from fashion editorial during the 70s wasn't worth the shooting, but I didn't know that at the time.

Anyway, I guess it's all academic because nothing's going to change by intent, only by happenstance.

Cheers -

Rob C
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« Reply #4324 on: February 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM »

Well, since it seems to be retro-Friday.



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« Reply #4325 on: February 02, 2013, 06:12:01 PM »

Best reason I have seen to buy a Fuji! Wonderful photograph! Probably had something to do with more than just the camera :)

Well, since it seems to be retro-Friday.



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« Reply #4326 on: February 02, 2013, 06:12:40 PM »

I truly love this! Beautiful photograph!

I'll join in on the theme :) 


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« Reply #4327 on: February 02, 2013, 06:14:28 PM »

BCOOTER!! I just want to say Thank You for all the times you have shared your work and the info on your shoots!


I hate taking this section of the thread off topic, but maybe that's just the way it goes.

You may not have had client's on set but PL did.  Plus knowing celebs, about a million directives thrown at his producer.  Ever deal with a star's agent, manager, personal assistant?  That hair and makeup person you would hire for ___fill in the blanks___ will triple because they usually want their special person flown in at their special person's rate.
Look at that IWC Schaffhausen watch spread with Kevin Spacey and Kate Blanchett.  Those two are expensive and powerful.  Every prop from cars, to boats, to vintage cameras have to be sourced, found and placed.  Then add the catering for the talent and for that type of talent is about double the day unless they're normal folk and most stars are not normal folk.

Rob, you've shot with models on location, done it well,  had a lot of latitude,  but when you get that level of involvement from that many people, managers, agents, just the wardrobe truck is probably larger than 90% off any lighting truck in Hollywood.

The good news is having that talent to toss the names out gets you a lot of free wardrobe, but it takes a a lot of pressers and seamstress to get it ready.

I might be wrong, I wasn't there, but I can tell you what nearly everything in this business costs and that watch project he shot costs a bunch, or his producer pulled some amazingly good favors.

All that talent has brands to protect and the retouching, regardless of what was really paid and regardless of how real it looks at retail value is higher than 99.99999% of any shoot shown on this forum.

The only thing that would lower the price is if it was a movie set and he was allowed a day or so just to use anything they had on set and shoot what he wanted, but advertising rarely works that way.

I'm not excusing the shoot I did, I like it and I have almost free run of the Sony Lot due to a great business relationship, but that doesn't allow me to go onto any sound stage and start shooting, or grab someone's arriflex and use it as a prop.

Everything we shoot we have to bring in.  Hell the errors and omissions insurance and liability riders, city permits (yes you sometimes have to cut permits in culver city even on a movie lot) on our shoot can be as much as a small crew.

This is now a very expensive business.

IMO


P.S.  One note, Europe usually is a lot easier and cheaper to shoot this style of project than America.  People will let yo use a restaurant without 22 waivers and a letter from the marketing department.

Police don't hassel you on every corner like in the U.S. and there is usually a respect for the art that I don't see in L.A.



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« Reply #4328 on: February 03, 2013, 12:08:37 AM »

I'll join in on the theme :) 



James, this piece reminds me of this work (not going to attempt to pronounce the name): http://500px.com/89205537525

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« Reply #4329 on: February 03, 2013, 10:12:31 AM »

Thanks so much for all the kind words, everyone.  For a "part time" semi-pro like me to hear compliments from highly regarded working pros is very much appreciated.
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« Reply #4330 on: February 03, 2013, 02:50:39 PM »

James,

A lot of times all of us look at a photo and think " i would of done this or ___"

There is nothing anyone could do better to the photograph your showing.

It's beautiful.

BTW:

#3 in the series of 4



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« Reply #4331 on: February 03, 2013, 07:53:09 PM »

It is interesting how our psyche works, how we respond to images showing deterioration and decay that implies passage of time and finality, triggering the course of memories, either your own or of prior generations.
When we are faced with them, it does not come to mind to count pixels and split hairs, we observe image as a whole and appreciate it by likely using the right side of our brain:)

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« Reply #4332 on: February 03, 2013, 08:31:20 PM »

Thank you so much, everyone, for the nice words. They are certainly appreciated.
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« Reply #4333 on: February 04, 2013, 04:17:36 AM »

It is interesting how our psyche works, how we respond to images showing deterioration and decay that implies passage of time and finality, triggering the course of memories, either your own or of prior generations.
When we are faced with them, it does not come to mind to count pixels and split hairs, we observe image as a whole and appreciate it by likely using the right side of our brain:)



That's a good observation, Michael.

I know without doubt that it works for me, because my all-time favourite Pirelli calendar is the Sarah Moon '72 one, shot in a chateau (Malmaison) outside Paris, with women wearing old-fashioned clothes, employing lots of grain and the generally wonderful mood of days long gone

It's not by accident that so much interesting  stuff comes from around the Art Deco period... unbridled love of design and senstivity; not a hint of the horrors of forced gender equality (in the sense of there being but a single sex, bar the mechanical bits) and the wilful blindness to the differences that make the world work.

Thank God I grew up in an age when people were able to appreciate the entirely different mental and natural assets and proclivities rather than metaphorically (and ultimately futilely) attempt to make boys play with dolls and girls with guns and, worse, footballs.

Yes, that's a most engaging picture and the girl enters into the spirit of the thing perfectly. Note the wonderful lack of plastic epidermis.

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« Reply #4334 on: February 05, 2013, 10:29:28 AM »

Some more Kodachrome 64 Pro out of Nikon F or F2.

Calendar shoot in Singapore for lager client; kept 'product' as small as diplomatically possible... it was visible on the page. I never felt that beer and girls look right together; it goes against my instincts. I always associate beer/lager with 'lads' and football. I think girls should sip G&Ts or nurse a Campari soda.

;-)

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« Reply #4335 on: February 05, 2013, 02:15:08 PM »

It is interesting how our psyche works, how we respond to images showing deterioration and decay that implies passage of time and finality, triggering the course of memories, either your own or of prior generations.
When we are faced with them, it does not come to mind to count pixels and split hairs, we observe image as a whole and appreciate it by likely using the right side of our brain:)

It's interesting though how most all such images feature the juxtaposition of very youthful subjects, implicitly flirting with death.  I wonder how those very images will age themselves though.  But this is not to impugn the artistry of those who create them.  I do like the images that have been shown here.

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« Reply #4336 on: February 06, 2013, 10:54:41 PM »

I wonder how those very images will age themselves though. 

It is funny, how in this day of super-high-tech digital cameras with unprecedented resolution etc there seems to be a longing for the simulated film look, including "vintage" colors, fake scratches and stains. Maybe in 30 years there will be software to re-create that 2D photo look with the artificial digital noise and blown highlights  :)

In the meantime, to atone for my first, sub-FX post in this thread, a real MF photo, taken during a break in the real shoot. Shot with a Fuji GX680 (open that can of worms at your own peril).

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« Reply #4337 on: February 07, 2013, 11:03:05 PM »

From a recent shoot in India...




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« Reply #4338 on: February 08, 2013, 09:57:40 PM »

Brendan these are wonderful! What is the story behind this shoot and how did you shoot them?

From a recent shoot in India...





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« Reply #4339 on: February 08, 2013, 10:14:28 PM »

I was going to ask the same question.  They are stunning images!  The only minor tweak I'd suggest is to fix the haloing above the building in the second shot.  The talent looks great!
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