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Rob C

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4200 on: January 28, 2013, 09:36:49 AM »

The image blackpoint seems (and measures) very greenish. Is that by design?
(plz don't tell me that is to emulate some kind of filmlook).


Hadn't noticed that - only noted that the skin (and the pearls) seemed to turn out redder than before I added the Metadata (if it's there!) to the jpeg used to post here; if it's green, then that's probably a result of trying to compensate for magenta at some stage further back in the overall process. The original file was made quite some time ago - I can't really remember what I did to it.

The file comes from copying Ektachrome on the D700; no, I don't try to emulate any 'filmic' look at all - just to produce something that looks reasonably nice to me on the monitor.

I'm wondering to myself if the reddish tint hasn't been induced by taking a sRGBIEC1966-2.1 file back into Nikon Capture NX2, which might be working in a different colour space; this occurs to me because I noticed that on trying to open the final jpeg to check for Metadata once the file was back within Photoshop 6, PS6 announced that it was the wrong file type for the current setting (the sRGB one above). I had to go through the Save As process again to make it open once more to allow me to check it out. Maybe that upset my colours...

Do you think there's a possible logic here?

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4201 on: January 28, 2013, 10:32:15 AM »

The file comes from copying Ektachrome on the D700; no, I don't try to emulate any 'filmic' look at all - just to produce something that looks reasonably nice to me on the monitor.

Okay, so maybe it is a combination of factors. I can't comment on the Nikon software, as I don't have any experience with it, but if PS is complaining, then there may certainly be something fishy happening.

Additionally, if you use your camera to reproduce a reflective print, then the most important step, and the most difficult step I'm inclined to add, is to "calibrate" the blackpoint. You have to somehow try to obtain neutral blacks before doing anything else, because reproducing a reflective medium will also mean reflective blacks. And those blacks will have a colorcast which is far more sensitive to balancing than lighter grays and white. And changing the blackpoint will have a significant effect on the overall result.

The preferred order of steps would be:

1. neutralize blacks and select the absolute black point location
2. neutralize the entire graybalance

#1 above defines the origin of all the mathematical multiplications and other BS necessary to make a pleasing picture. If the origin is out-of-whack, then anything subsequently is going to be a juggling act between different parts of the image going out-of-whack.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4202 on: January 28, 2013, 12:25:17 PM »

Thanks, Oscar, I'll have another look at the file and the steps, and also bear in mind about the basic black point. Oddly, I don't remember running into quite the same problems with the earlier colour shot I posted of the girl on the beach, but that was from an actual scan, not via a camera copy of a tranny, and Nikon Capture NX2 had no part in the party.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4203 on: January 28, 2013, 12:36:43 PM »

Rob,

If your really serious about reproduction, I'd look seriously at a good scanning service, that will wet mount drum scans.

The initial costs may be high, but you'll save in the long run and have something that you can reproduce in any medium.

Just a thought.

Anyway





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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4204 on: January 28, 2013, 12:52:07 PM »

Another glorification of gun violence?

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4205 on: January 28, 2013, 01:05:49 PM »

Another glorification of gun violence?

Yawn.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4206 on: January 28, 2013, 01:49:43 PM »

Rob,

If your really serious about reproduction, I'd look seriously at a good scanning service, that will wet mount drum scans.

The initial costs may be high, but you'll save in the long run and have something that you can reproduce in any medium.

Just a thought.

Anyway





BC



Hi!

Yes, a drum scanner would indeed be nice, but my basic problem these days is that there’s next to nothing left to scan! As I think I’ve mentioned in the past, I sold or dumped pretty much everything when I moved to live in Spain. At most, I may have about a dozen 6x6 and the same in 6x7, the latter local landscape ‘atmospherics’ intended for travel stock and nothing I’d lke to work on at all. For what’s left, it’s hadly worth the bother for so small a volume. I'm a bit better off with volume in 35mm, though.

Your shot with the smoke rang bells: there’s was a huge department store in Glasgow called McDonalds, part of the House of Fraser. I was asked to shoot a Christmas press ad. for them one year, and we decided to photograph a large Christmas tree that had been erected in Central Station, with lots of fancy fake presents stacked up at the foot, and a model wearing some outfit or the other. I’d bought a smoke bomb thing from a theatrical supplier some time before, and since the background was pretty distracting and pot-ugly, I decided to set off the smoke thing in order to create mystery/mood. We’d got permission to photograph there, but nobody had thought of the artificial smoke, least of all myself, for whom it has been a last-minute idea as I packed the car; one of those ‘just in case’ moments, you know.

Anyway, we did some preliminary pix and then I introduced the smoke. You’d think we had started to fire machine guns! We didn’t get long to work using it – couldn’t control it at all because it was a wide open space inside the building, draughts in every direction, and we were pretty much thrown out. But we did get the ad, so not too bad. Never used smoke again.

I like your shots; the girl in the non-smoke one reminds me of a young Laetitia Casta. It's those delightful little tendrils at the side...

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4207 on: January 28, 2013, 01:51:03 PM »

Rob, almost certainly due to skipping in and out of differing workspaces; an 'Embedded Profile Mismatch'. If you're not willing or able to update your ancient copy of Photoshop 6.0 then perhaps you could do some research to see if there is a possibility of free software programs that would enable you to change the metadata on existing images.

Wet mount drum scans - whilst desirable and I wouldn't use anything else - won't solve your current issues.



Boy, don't I know it!

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4208 on: January 28, 2013, 09:54:17 PM »

Superb photographs of course!

Can we ask what the "backstory" is on these?

What was the assignment, shot where on what? What was done in post?

I do find the story behind photos very fascinating.

Thanks!

Ian

Rob,

If your really serious about reproduction, I'd look seriously at a good scanning service, that will wet mount drum scans.

The initial costs may be high, but you'll save in the long run and have something that you can reproduce in any medium.

Just a thought.

Anyway





BC
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4209 on: January 29, 2013, 04:13:40 AM »

Rob, I've managed to find a copy of Photoshop 6.0. The good news is I can see no reason why you can't add metadata.

Simply open your jpeg, go to File and then File Info, select the section you want to add to using the Section > drop down list and type in your metadata. When prompted save your changes.





Keith, I'm very grateful to you for having gone to all this trouble on my behalf; did you find the PS6 in the Science Museum? 8-)

I've made a note of this now, and will try that route on the next images. It would be lovely to be able to avoid another trip into NX2 territory!

Again, thank you very much for your concern - much appreciated.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4210 on: January 29, 2013, 04:18:20 AM »

Superb photographs of course!

Can we ask what the "backstory" is on these?

What was the assignment, shot where on what? What was done in post?

I do find the story behind photos very fascinating.Thanks!

Ian





I couldn't agree more! It's fascinating to learn what makes other snappers tick (or should that be snap?) and also the how/why of that snapping.

I really like to get to know more about the person behind the work, not just look at their results.

It's even better when the images are beautiful, as here.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4211 on: January 29, 2013, 04:57:05 AM »


Can we ask what the "backstory" is on these?

What was the assignment, shot where on what? What was done in post?

I do find the story behind photos very fascinating.

Thanks!

Ian












Ian, Rob C, Thanks for the kind words.

This is an editorial project for a fashion/lifestyle magazine that is published in southeast asia and distributed throughout the Pacific Rim.

It's a beautiful glossy magazine with great printing and I love working for them.

The story was a day in the life of a Hollywood actress.  We shot on the Sony Movie lot, our Santa Monica Studio, the hot rod shop I patronize and the beach.

Two day shoot, one model, multiple looks.

Not a lot of post on most of the images, mostly just clean up coloration and some tonal changes.  Obviously some layer dodging and burning.

Once again, thanks for the kind reply.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4212 on: January 29, 2013, 09:29:13 AM »

Love that dirty girl.

Great minds think alike!

Maybe makeup artists have more fun?

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4213 on: January 29, 2013, 10:35:52 AM »

Rob, you're very welcome.

Let me know if you have any issues.


Tried this one using the info. in your post; it reads differently in Spanish, but maybe I got it right: could you check, please? I don't want even to try taking this file into Nikon Capture!

Kodachrome; F2 or F3; 4/200 Nikkor.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4214 on: January 29, 2013, 11:57:16 AM »

Rob C,
 Not to stick my nose in, but I checked in NX2. Like KLaben said the MetaData did not stick in NX2 nor in PS5.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4215 on: January 29, 2013, 12:10:27 PM »

This is driving me (and I guess you!) nuts!

Back to that damned drawing board!

Rob C


P.S. Here's a screen grab off the PS6 screen - nothing has been changed. The info was really there! The data shows copyright info as well as the website for contacting me; don't know what else can be done. I can't understand why it's invisible to you chaps.

P.S.2  I note from this grab that there's also a box left white that asks about showing copyright; perhaps that also has to be ticked. Oh shit.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4216 on: January 29, 2013, 01:36:59 PM »

Well, ticked the little box and now reposted in place of the original pic.

Let's hope it makes a difference.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4217 on: January 29, 2013, 01:53:06 PM »



Let's hope it makes a difference.

Rob C

It does :)

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4218 on: January 29, 2013, 03:47:06 PM »

Nick, Keith, Sean -

Thanks for helping me out - I hope my 'system' now works all the time!

;-)

Rob C (Happy Chappie).


P.S. One thing about that image, using Kodachrome (any tranny material, really) and the incident light metering system where you expose for the highlights certainly did hold the highlights in the white cloth pretty well. I realise this isn't news to pro viewers, but might help anybody else not used to incident light metering.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4219 on: January 30, 2013, 09:25:28 PM »

BC...

Thank You!

The additional photographs are truly great too!

What cameras. bodies, backs, lenses did you use?

And what was your lighting?

Don't worry... yes I will try to steal your secrets but I am sure the results will not duplicate your results :)
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