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Rob C

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4040 on: January 02, 2013, 12:53:52 PM »

Huh. I  always thought the most important thing was the photographer. Apparently it's really the camera that matters.

(turning off snark filter)

In four and a half years, this has never been an issue -- suddenly there's a problem? There've been scads of really, really nice professional work posted here, made on 35mm equipment. There are people posting gorgeous images made using MF glass  mounted on dSLR bodies, images made with early-generation MF digital backs that under-perform my old 20d, and everything in between. And yet, this is the one place I know of on the internet where I can view consistently great quality images accompanied by knowledgeable, thoughtful commentary. This thread isn't broken...please lets don't "fix" it just because two guys get into a spat over a Vogue logo.



I'm not sure what you're asking: do you want it to remain MF and MF+ exclusively, then, or do you want 35mm to be included despite being specifically excluded in the intention of the tiltle, which talks about "Medium Format/Film/Digital Backs - and Large Sensor Photograhy" I sense you mean that 35mm should be permitted because of the great stuff produced with it.

Doing so would deprive MF and MF+ afficionados their special space; maybe best leave things as they are and start that new 35mm (or smaller) section instead?

Perhaps a more simple approach would be to keep the formats separate in the textual, chat sense, and design a special Images Section which caters for all formats used in professional anger?

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« Reply #4041 on: January 02, 2013, 03:39:03 PM »

Apparently we need 4 image threads:
- MF pro
- MF fun
- All pro
- All fun
New image sharing subforum anyone?
However the rule which would make things really interesting is that for every post, there would need to be an image. Might as well do that, havent posted here in a while. For clarity: MF, personal work

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4042 on: January 02, 2013, 03:49:20 PM »

wonderfull Marko !
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« Reply #4043 on: January 02, 2013, 04:56:38 PM »

Define MF. [...]
Medium format is comparatively easy >full frame 35.

So no Leaf Valeo 6 or 11 backs?  They have 24x36mm sensors.

I think we should stop trying to fix what isn't broken.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4044 on: January 02, 2013, 05:03:34 PM »

Apparently we need 4 image threads:
- MF pro
- MF fun
- All pro
- All fun
New image sharing subforum anyone?
However the rule which would make things really interesting is that for every post, there would need to be an image. Might as well do that, havent posted here in a while. For clarity: MF, personal work





Beautiful in every way.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4045 on: January 02, 2013, 05:06:21 PM »

So no Leaf Valeo 6 or 11 backs?  They have 24x36mm sensors.

I think we should stop trying to fix what isn't broken.


Then, if the above is correct, why not include FF 35mm digital? And if that, why not 35mm film, or does that come under the /Film/ part already?

Fix, broke? Who can even tell!

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4046 on: January 02, 2013, 05:36:32 PM »

... For clarity: MF, personal work...

Marko, svaka čast!

That was a compliment, in case the rest of you are wondering :)

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4047 on: January 02, 2013, 07:59:28 PM »

As mentioned before there have been numerous images posted already that have not been shot with medium format.  Most likely the photographers gravitate to this thread because it's been active for close to four years and find the acceptance or criticism to be fair (they are comfortable here).  When Chris showed his Red work where was the criticism?  When Simon posts his Nikon images no one complained, or with James's work (from a variety of cameras).  What's the big deal now?  None of the other threads have been able to keep our interest and have gone by the wayside, the equivalent thread in Camera, Lenses and Shooting Gear has had one post in a year and a half.  My point is that we should lighten up and allow photographers to post their work here regardless of format.  It saves us the time of going from thread to thread and this benefits both the reader and the photographer who posts their work.  I just took my notifications off this thread earlier today because the petty arguments were clogging my mailbox.  Jim 

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4048 on: January 02, 2013, 08:10:14 PM »



I'm not sure what you're asking: do you want it to remain MF and MF+ exclusively, then, or do you want 35mm to be included despite being specifically excluded in the intention of the tiltle, which talks about "Medium Format/Film/Digital Backs - and Large Sensor Photograhy" I sense you mean that 35mm should be permitted because of the great stuff produced with it.

Doing so would deprive MF and MF+ afficionados their special space; maybe best leave things as they are and start that new 35mm (or smaller) section instead?

Perhaps a more simple approach would be to keep the formats separate in the textual, chat sense, and design a special Images Section which caters for all formats used in professional anger?

Rob C

Leaving things as they are would mean continuing to allow non-MF images. I find it hard to believe that you aren't aware that this has been going on for a long time. Some of the best and brightest (and prolific) contributors to this thread shoot 35mm.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4049 on: January 02, 2013, 09:21:09 PM »

Marko...

Wonderful photographs on your website!

Apparently we need 4 image threads:
- MF pro
- MF fun
- All pro
- All fun
New image sharing subforum anyone?
However the rule which would make things really interesting is that for every post, there would need to be an image. Might as well do that, havent posted here in a while. For clarity: MF, personal work


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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4050 on: January 03, 2013, 12:11:31 AM »

As mentioned before there have been numerous images posted already that have not been shot with medium format.  Most likely the photographers gravitate to this thread because it's been active for close to four years and find the acceptance or criticism to be fair (they are comfortable here).  When Chris showed his Red work where was the criticism?  When Simon posts his Nikon images no one complained, or with James's work (from a variety of cameras).  What's the big deal now?  None of the other threads have been able to keep our interest and have gone by the wayside, the equivalent thread in Camera, Lenses and Shooting Gear has had one post in a year and a half.  My point is that we should lighten up and allow photographers to post their work here regardless of format.  It saves us the time of going from thread to thread and this benefits both the reader and the photographer who posts their work.  I just took my notifications off this thread earlier today because the petty arguments were clogging my mailbox.  Jim 

At the risk of adding still more to what I think is disruptive digression, I would suggest that those with complaints start their own post or posts, instead of interfering with the preferences of the original poster and the overwhelming majority of participants in this thread. In fact, I would suggest that, any time people have such complaints about any thread, they start their own threads on the subject.

In many of the discussions that go on in this sub-forum, I think it is not possible to leave small format out, especially with respect to digital, since there will always be a degree of overlap in how photographers use these formats. For example, in film days, small format was seldom used for architectural photography, and even medium format was a secondary format of choice. Now, I daresay that small format is the dominant format for commercial architectural photography, which is not to say that medium format does not offer some technical advantages for some applications in this particular genre. That is a huge change, from view camera to small format.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4051 on: January 03, 2013, 04:29:51 AM »

Leaving things as they are would mean continuing to allow non-MF images. I find it hard to believe that you aren't aware that this has been going on for a long time. Some of the best and brightest (and prolific) contributors to this thread shoot 35mm.

No, you're not understanding me at all. If you read more of my comments you'll see that I am not saying the thread remain closed or just permit 'submarine' 35mm imagery; I'm saying it was started with that exclusive intention. Doing other is just subverting it, and not fair to those who are MF specialists and like an exclusive thread.

I later suggest that possibly one could start a thread including all formats, and that's what KLaban has also suggested might happen.

In my own case, I used 35mm far more than I did my 120; in fact, being a retired pro, I miss the opportunity of posting stuff in these slots because I feel disqualified both by retirement and formats. My answer to that was to kick off an Old Professional Images thread under the Photo Business slot. Not ideal, but at least different to sticking images in the 'critique' section which I see as attractive to amateurs only.

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4052 on: January 03, 2013, 05:28:21 AM »

It's not my forum and obviously I don't make the rules, but I think any format should be allowed for any purpose as long as your proud of it.

In earlier times, this medium format section was more of a professional destination than the other sections, just because a few years ago most of the people using medium format made large investments and were usually working on the professional level.

In other words there was a price of admission.

Today most people have multiple formats and shoot different cameras for different projects, or shoot different formats side by side.

Also Medium format has been introduced to a lot of very good fine artists, or advance amateurs and their work is very much worth viewing.

In regards to recent, I think anything beautiful should be allowed, film or digital, small or large format.  I'd like to see some of Rob's imagery but  under this strict heading his work would not be allowed which is a shame.

That would mean nothing from the hundreds of photographers that really invented the professional industry.

After all beautiful work is beautiful work.

I'd love to see this forum once again become a larger destination for anyone that produces excellent work.

In fact I'd love to see this morph over to more like a high quality instagram network, where it's available on this site and through facebook and the other social media sites, though I don't know if that's possible.

Saying that, I'd like to see more medium format work, especially work that is unique to the format as I do find that interesting.

IMO

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4053 on: January 03, 2013, 05:32:44 AM »

What I'd like to see is more professional works. Currently we see precious few images posted here and usually by the same photographers. Why is this so when LL is littered with professional photographers?

A dedicated thread to share Recent Professional Works and open to all formats just might encourage more to post, but currently there's no obvious place to host it.

One reason is under most of today's contracts, the work is under embargo for a period of time.

Today it's standard for me to sign a 20 something page contract for every project, large and small.

Then by the time it's out of embargo, it's old to me and I'm usually not that motivated to show it.

IMO

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4054 on: January 03, 2013, 10:15:43 AM »

I see that my last post with images was quite some time ago, here's a few things from last year.  I'll put up some architecture a little later.  By the way, the vehicles were all shot with my P45, the architecture will be mixed.  Jim

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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4055 on: January 03, 2013, 11:11:25 AM »

Here's some architecture shot in the last year or so.  Both medium format and Canon.  Jim

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« Reply #4056 on: January 03, 2013, 11:12:45 AM »

I see that my last post with images was quite some time ago, here's a few things from last year.  I'll put up some architecture a little later.  By the way, the vehicles were all shot with my P45, the architecture will be mixed.  Jim

Viper 3 is simply superb Jim.
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Re: Recent Professional Works
« Reply #4057 on: January 03, 2013, 11:13:45 AM »

James, beautiful work with these cars!

Happy new year to all!

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« Reply #4058 on: January 03, 2013, 11:14:25 AM »

I love single point perspective.  Nice use of it.
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« Reply #4059 on: January 03, 2013, 11:25:17 AM »

Beautiful cars; any chance of details re. model year etc?

Makes it more informative for us non-USA resident car-nutters. ;-)

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