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« on: September 23, 2008, 11:46:15 PM »

Hello all,

I just saw a demo for PS CS4 using the gradient tool in ACR 5. Just great as far as I'm concerned as I've use Nik's Colo(u)r Efex which unfortunately are not editable in the layers once set up.

My question is if ACR 5 plug-in will be available as an upgrade for CS3 or do I have to find some pennies to buy CS4?

PS. I bought Lee ND grad filters a while ago which are fine but a pain to set up, so I fell back on using software grad tricks to fix things. Yes, lazy I know as filters would be the best way to go and save post processing time.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 12:21:42 AM »

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My question is if ACR 5 plug-in will be available as an upgrade for CS3 or do I have to find some pennies to buy CS4?
Chris.
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If I recall, it was needed to upgrade to CS3 in order to benefit from the value of ACR4.

Not a problem functionwise, it makes sense to have to upgrade to benefit from new functions, but a big problem in terms of new cameras support since they stopped adding support for new cameras on ACR3 at the time.

I would be interested to find out whether Adobe has improved on that or not.

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 08:22:53 AM »

You will need CS4 to run Camera Raw 5.

CS3 (with CR 4.x) and CS2 (with CR 3.x) will continue to support new cameras via the free DNG Converter.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 01:55:41 PM »

I'm glad to see ACR 5 is adding some of the new goodies from LR.

Given that Adobe is in the process of releasing ACR 4.6 with support for many new cameras just weeks before CS4 is coming out, I don't think users have too much to complain about. It's not realistic to expect them to keep adding functionality to old versions of products that have been superceded by upgrades.

Adobe has been pretty straightforward about it. ACR is regularly updated for the current version of PS/CS, and once a new upgrade comes up the users can still get support for new cameras via the DNG Convertor.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 02:58:01 PM »

Exactly, Jeff. Thanks for putting it so clearly.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 04:27:33 PM »

I like Mike Johnson's phrasing for it: "Paying the Photoshop Tax".
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 03:27:41 PM »

Eric, is it correct that ACR 5 will have ALL of Lightroom 2's raw processing features, not just some of them?  If that is not correct, can you describe the features that will be missing from ACR 5?  Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 04:54:03 PM »

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Eric, is it correct that ACR 5 will have ALL of Lightroom 2's raw processing features, not just some of them?  If that is not correct, can you describe the features that will be missing from ACR 5?  Thanks.
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CR 5 will have all the same processing controls...yes. The usability will be a bit different. 5.0 won't have brush presets and there's no A/B brush settings (the erase bruce can be set different than the add brush though). But the control channels are the same in Lightroom 2.x and Camera Raw 5.x. Plus, Camera Raw has a point curve editor :~)
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2008, 06:59:40 PM »

Thanks Jeff.

In general, the thing to keep in mind is that an image edited in LR 2 will look the same when opened up in CR 5, and vice versa.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 07:18:23 PM »

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I like Mike Johnson's phrasing for it: "Paying the Photoshop Tax".
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I don't. I think it's cynical. How does he expect the program to be maintained and up-graded? Does he give away his photos and services for free? As well, Adobe is honouring its commitments as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 07:21:00 PM »

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CR 5 will have all the same processing controls...yes. The usability will be a bit different. 5.0 won't have brush presets and there's no A/B brush settings (the erase bruce can be set different than the add brush though). But the control channels are the same in Lightroom 2.x and Camera Raw 5.x. Plus, Camera Raw has a point curve editor :~)
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Indeed - I think a point curve UI can be very helpful in some situations where one would like to detach and move the end points, and set other points elsewhere on the curve quite accurately. I would like to see it added to LR.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 08:15:11 PM »

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I don't. I think it's cynical. How does he expect the program to be maintained and up-graded? Does he give away his photos and services for free? As well, Adobe is honouring its commitments as far as I can tell.
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Enterprise software is sold/licensed and there is generally a 20% per year maintenance fee.  With its Creative Suite Adobe achieves the same thing with an 18 month cycle of 30% upgrades.  They even allow you to skip an upgrade so its really not a bad deal.  

Its neither good nor bad, just the way software products are sold and maintained.

Adobe is neither the villain or the hero just another corporate entity with the need to satisfy Wall Streets demand for increased profits each and every quarter.  

While keeping Wall Street and shareholders happy we enjoy the fruits of their labors.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 08:39:03 AM »

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You will need CS4 to run Camera Raw 5.

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Thanks Eric. I'll leave the pros and cons of capitalism to the others  

(Why isn't there a Marx or Engels smilie?)

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 10:21:33 AM »

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I don't. I think it's cynical. How does he expect the program to be maintained and up-graded? Does he give away his photos and services for free? As well, Adobe is honouring its commitments as far as I can tell.
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May I suggest you read the quote in context before bashing him: [a href=\"http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/09/your-virtual-ph.html]Mike's post[/url]?

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 12:00:18 PM »

Fine - he said he shouldn't be flippant and I agree with that.  
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 01:13:51 PM »

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May I suggest you read the quote in context before bashing him: Mike's post?
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The word TAX has a lot of implications...and I disagree with the concept. I think it much more a cost of doing business and should be viewed in light of what sort of return you will get from your investment.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you (or anybody else) upgrade to Adobe's latest release of Photoshop. When CS4 comes out, it doesn't magically make your version of CS3 quit working. The only thing that really happens is that when the "next version" comes out, free updates and bug fixes cease for the old version. To a certain degree, that may lower the value a bit of the older version–depending on the way you look at it.

But some people have some pretty perverted ways of viewing situations. Photographers have this tendency to view intellectual property as somehow less valuable than tangible property–even though the profession of photography is dedicated to creating intellectual property. Photographers don't seem to have the same level of irritation when Apple or Dell announce brand new super charged computers or Nikon and Canon come out with new bigger MP cameras. Oh, there's grumbling, to be sure. But not in the same vein as the bitching about Adobe coming out with a new version of Photoshop and complaints about the "Photoshop Tax".

It seems that many people wish the software would be frozen in time and offered with a life time license and perpetual free upgrades. That same level of expectation isn't there for hardware. Compare that attitude with a photographer's client when they think that they should "OWN" all the rights to a photograph that they "BUY".

And that's an irony that I don't enjoy (since I engage in both the creation of software and the creation of licensed images).
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 04:09:57 PM »

Thanks Jeff, I agree.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 04:36:20 PM »

You're right.  Tax is inappropriate.  I prefer "Adobe Shakedown."
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 04:52:52 PM »

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You're right.  Tax is inappropriate.  I prefer "Adobe Shakedown."
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And why is it a "shakedown" - how much are they supposed to charge you to conceptualise, develop, write, market and service all this code? At what point does a legitimate price become a "shakedown" and how do you know where to draw the line?
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 05:01:00 PM »

Only two lines, Mark?  I'm hoping Schewe is more entertaining.
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