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Bernd B.

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« on: September 23, 2008, 04:59:09 am »

I´m a bit suprised not to hear anything from Nikon.

No new 24MP Nikon D3x at Photokina?

Big disappointment. Cowards.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 09:19:25 am »

Working on adding sensor shake cleaning and video?

Flagship products need to last a while.

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 09:25:21 am »

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I´m a bit suprised not to hear anything from Nikon.

No new 24MP Nikon D3x at Photokina?

Big disappointment. Cowards.
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Not that I know anything!

Giles

P.S. Yeah, I'd expected to see a high resolution camera from Nikon approximately the same time that Sony announced theirs ... but as anyone in any high tech. industry will tell you, it's very very easy for schedules to slip, and I have no idea whether or not Nikon were aiming for Photokina.  Nikon's products have something of a tendency to be released when they're ready, rather than when marketing might want them released.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 10:24:16 am »

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Working on adding sensor shake cleaning and video?

Flagship products need to last a while.

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Glad to see ya back in the saddle. Nice to hear your take/insider info, as I also thought Nikon surely will have something at 'kina.
    Seems like nothing new from Hasselblad. Leaf already has new back with tilt LCD... Phase's new collaboration with Leica - Two very expensive boys collaborating for a new product - clients will be only retired Docs & Dentists, as mortal souls won't be able to afford it.
   5DII sounds real good.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 11:43:27 am »

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I´m a bit suprised not to hear anything from Nikon.

No new 24MP Nikon D3x at Photokina?

Big disappointment. Cowards.
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We're expecting a "big" announcement in November; by then the 5DII will not even be available and the A900 just barely.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 12:16:54 pm »

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We're expecting a "big" announcement in November; by then the 5DII will not even be available and the A900 just barely.
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The A900 is already available in Europe and Asia.  Not sure what the hold-up is here in the states. . .
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 12:38:49 pm »

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The A900 is already available in Europe and Asia.  Not sure what the hold-up is here in the states. . .
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already saw it in Germany and London, so don't really know why you can't find a A900.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 08:28:26 pm »

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The A900 is already available in Europe and Asia.  Not sure what the hold-up is here in the states. . .
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 10:21:44 am »

I'm dissapointed too, I was convinced the Nikon D700 was the camera for my needs/budget but the Canon 5D mark II changed that perspective.

I'm curious too see what Nikon's answer to the 5DII will be, hopefully we'll know by november.

I really wanna know my options before I buy into either Canon or Nikon, I'm not crazy enough to buy into two systems (no offense to those who do).
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 11:00:16 am »

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The A900 is already available in Europe and Asia.  Not sure what the hold-up is here in the states. . .
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The A900 will become availalbe in Japan on Oct 23rd.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 12:15:45 pm »

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I guess you haven't been following developments closely.  It is clear that Nikon will announce a higher MP FX DSLR in the not-too-distant future, the unanswered questions will be how many megapixels, cost, and when it will be announced.  Being aware of this back in August when the D700 was announced, I realized back then that the D700 was not the camera for me and that I would wait.  However, I actually expect that I will be waiting until next summer because I doubt Nikon will release a higher MP FX DSLR for $3000 until then; instead I'm spending my money on the PC-E lenses (45mm and 24mm) this year and I'm getting wonderful images from my D300 while I wait.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 02:04:19 pm »

Actually, its because the canon 5DII offers 9mpx more and HD 1080p video for about the same price as the D700. With that much bang for the buck, the D700 loses the fight against the 5D.

Because of this, I hope we will have an answer from Nikon by november. I'm interested to seen if they offer another alternative (since I prefer Nikons wide-angle lenses over Canons, otherwise it would be a done deal)

regards,

Mike



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I guess you haven't been following developments closely.  It is clear that Nikon will announce a higher MP FX DSLR in the not-too-distant future, the unanswered questions will be how many megapixels, cost, and when it will be announced.  Being aware of this back in August when the D700 was announced, I realized back then that the D700 was not the camera for me and that I would wait.  However, I actually expect that I will be waiting until next summer because I doubt Nikon will release a higher MP FX DSLR for $3000 until then; instead I'm spending my money on the PC-E lenses (45mm and 24mm) this year and I'm getting wonderful images from my D300 while I wait.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 05:09:47 pm »

My guess:

1. At that up coming wedding convention (Nov. Sept.?) that they have been running ads about (the "something big" ads) they will do the rumored MX format (48mmx48mm 48mp) medium format thing. Big sensor, fat pixels.

2. That eventual D3 replacement may be in the 20 something MP range.

3. The D700 follow ons will stay under 20mp, going for fat pixels instead.

Then again, i could be wrong  

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 05:56:26 pm »

Gidday,

I'm not sure if I am missing some thing here but what is all the fuss with Nikon and Canon putting videos in there high end cameras.

If I want to take a video I use a video camera not a still camera.

What's next are they going to put phones in them or even a coffee maker?

Cheers

Simon
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 07:58:24 pm »

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Actually, its because the canon 5DII offers 9mpx more and HD 1080p video for about the same price as the D700. With that much bang for the buck, the D700 loses the fight against the 5D.

Because of this, I hope we will have an answer from Nikon by november. I'm interested to seen if they offer another alternative (since I prefer Nikons wide-angle lenses over Canons, otherwise it would be a done deal)

regards,

Mike
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Regarding the extra MP, it will undoubtedly offer more resolution, but the cost (relative to what would have otherwise been possible or what the D700 currently offers) in terms of file sizes, increase in noise at higher ISOs, and perhaps some loss of DR is as yet unknown.  Now if your priorities are extra resolution, then all of this may be of little concern; but if you are a wedding, portrait or press photographer -- then probably the D700 is still the better option in terms of delivering a file that meets your requirements.

Regarding the video feature, well some of us really don't want it and would prefer to simply pay less and not have it.  What's more (for me anyway), I would prefer to have fewer rather than more items in the menu to deal with.  If that's important to you though, then I understand why you would value the D700 less today than you did before the 5DII announcement.

I'm reasonably certain that you will get both more resolution than the D700 has and some kind of video feature in the next Nikon, and that camera will be announced before the end of the year.  On the other hand, as I already wrote, I wouldn't be surprised if it cost more than the 5DII.  I would not get too hung up on the actual number of megapixels, from what I've read pixel acuity can make a big difference vis-a-vis a simple measurement of the number of pixels.

My own feeling is that I wouldn't want to be standing on the sidelines waiting to invest in lenses until the "perfect" camera comes along, that's why I mentioned that I'm currently shooting with a D300 right now as I purchase several thousand dollars in lenses.  If I were you though, then I would just buy the 5DII; in fact, I would get on a waiting list for one now.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 08:32:23 pm »

In addition to the technical, testing and validation activities already stated, there are any number of reasons why Nikon may have had a quiet Photokina:

- Photokina - or PMA for that matter - may not have the same relevance to product launches they once did. I'd argue that companies like Nikon can make announcements as and when it suits their plans. There are many outlets available to help marketers create excitement and 'buzz' around a new product.

- competition for attention. If competing companies make similar announcements in the same segment, they risk diluting and confusing their messages.

- profit. Nikon may want to extract a little more from it's current lineup, before offering something new.

- caution. It's easier than ever to create a 'buzz' around a new product. It's also, just as easy for bad news to travel fast. I'm sure Nikon learned something from the D200 banding issue, just as Canon is regarding the well publicized 1D Mark III autofocus issues.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 08:47:10 pm »

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- competition for attention. If competing companies make similar announcements in the same segment, they risk diluting and confusing their messages.
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Exactly, why would you want to have your press release diluted among 40 others?...

The Kina is a great place for smaller players since they can show off their new products to press representatives who would not bother attending a press event otherwise.

For Nikon, it is the very opposite. If they could fly 100+ journalists and photographers to Japan for the D3 announcement, it seems pretty obvious that they don't need the Kina to get interest from the press.

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 08:48:36 pm »

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My guess:

1. At that up coming wedding convention (Nov. Sept.?) that they have been running ads about (the "something big" ads) they will do the rumored MX format (48mmx48mm 48mp) medium format thing. Big sensor, fat pixels.

2. That eventual D3 replacement may be in the 20 something MP range.

3. The D700 follow ons will stay under 20mp, going for fat pixels instead.

Then again, i could be wrong 
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Regarding point 3, you can be 100% sure that the D800 will use the very same sensor as the D3x. It will be released 6 months later and cost 65% of its price.

Cheers,
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