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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2008, 12:45:09 AM »

i dont see the comparison to the MF viewfinder, it's a LOT bigger and brighter than the mk3 - it's great but not MF IMO...my H3 blows it away from renting it  a few times w/ the H3 on hand...
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« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2008, 06:33:14 AM »

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The files are sharp but at first startle me because it's not medium format crisp sharp, it's Canon somewhat milky sharp. (They do sharpen in post, but not like the medium format files).


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It's funny you say that, I was testing my new rebel Xsi (I usually shoot the P21) and was a little startled about the sharpness, I thought I'd got a duffer until I went back to some 5d files and realized that thats just the canon thing. Like you say though, they do sharpen up quite well, especially in DPP.
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« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2008, 07:47:21 AM »

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I took the Canon ee-s screen for my 5D and had it brightened by Bill Maxwell; Maxwell Precision Optics; P.O. Box 33146; Decatur, GA 30033-0146; ph (404) 244-0095.  It shows focus fall off much more accurately than the standard 5D screen, and it is as birght as the standard 5D screen.
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what's the equivalent of the ee-s screen for 1Ds II / III series?
seems hard to get details out of canons useless website on what the dift model screens are/ do...
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« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2008, 08:02:39 AM »

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Upside; The Canon is nicely built the viewfinder is much better with manual focus easier, the file is good and as Paul said holds the highlights well. The batteries last a billion frames. Skin tones are perfect.

Mr. Russell,

Yes, it's important to nail down which focusing screen is right for your style of shooting -- either the 4x5 blacked-out crop screen, or that EES (?) low-light screen, or even getting the Maxwell guy to whip you one up.

Batteries are nothing short of amazing; they last forever.

Skin tones are good, once you get your Preferences and PictureStyle set up, after testing.

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Medium upside; The Canon software tethers ok, (all of today was tethered), the lcd lights up when you work tethered, you can name and rename in the Canon software and the preview initially comes up quick sending small jpeg and raw about 2 seconds before it's full screen.

Nice that the LCD of the 1ds3 stays lit up when tethering, versus the 1ds2 which went black when tethering.

Once you do the Rube Goldberg Non-Firewire Workaround (see below), the 1ds3 preview comes in in about a second or so, on a 17" Macbook Pro, on location. But you still have to manually download the RAWs, since you're only tethering a Small JPG.

1. Put a CF card in Slot 1.
2. Put an SD card in Slot 2.
3. Set the camera to "record separately".
4. Set the camera to "Playback only Slot 2".
5. Set the Slot 1, the CF slot, to record RAW.
6. Set the Slot 2, the SC card, to record JPG SMALL.
7. Open EOS Utility, and link it to DPP.
8. Hook up the USB cable to the Mac.

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Downside; The Canon software tethered in this way gets bogged down and firing about 10 shoots semi quickly I hit the buffer and the previews load slow. Compared to tethering with my Phase backs and C-1, this is almost glacier like slow.

There is nothing like a Phase back and CaptureOne 3.78, for tethering. It is the Gold Standard. Everything else is a pale imitation. But you knew that already.

I shot a small job recently, though, where I didn't try to "link" DPP to EOS Utility. It was much simpler this way. You get a refreshed Preview Window each time you shoot a frame, although weirdly, that Preview window is always in vertical orientation, even if you're shoot a horizontal job. But the upside is, you're only dealing with EOS Utility, instead of trying to "link" to another application, and rub your head and pat your belly at the same time. (Canon should be shot for their sorry software approach to tethering).

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The files are sharp but at first startle me because it's not medium format crisp sharp, it's Canon somewhat milky sharp. (They do sharpen in post, but not like the medium format files).

I set up my PictureStyle as Standard (or Neutral), with a 3 tag for Sharpness. DPP sees that tag upon import. I doubt any other software would see these tags, which is why I stick with DPP for everything. As for sharpness, you're dealing with CCD (Phase) versus CMOS (with aggressive AA filter to boot). But tag with 3 Sharpness, run it in DPP, and it's pretty nice.

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The 4:3 crop works but it is somewhat disjointed. It shows in DPP and in the camera and on the lcd with those blue lines, but in any other program it becomes a 2:3 cameras.

Like I've said before in another thread, the StupidBlueLine that Canon uses is very irritating, compared to Nikon blacking out the extra frame area. When I bought the cropping screen, that was me saying "crop it"; it was not me saying "put a blue line around it, but show me the rest of the frame anyway, just to piss me off". And yes, I doubt that any other application would recognize the StupidBlueLine tag.

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The ONE thing I need is higher, clean iso. The difference between a Canon at 640 iso, F 4.5 and 125th of a second and the Phase at 400 iso, F4.5 (or 5.6 if I want to hold the same depth of field) is about two stops in the Canons favor.

I shot a job last week at 800 and 1600 with the 1ds3. Very clean. Shockingly clean. You simply can't do that with a P30+.

At some point, you gotta choose. None are perfect. Would I love a P21+ back duct-taped onto the back of a 1ds3 body? Absolutely, but it's not gonna happen.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2008, 08:13:49 AM »

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I shot a job last week at 800 and 1600 with the 1ds3. Very clean. Shockingly clean. You simply can't do that with a P30+.

At some point, you gotta choose. None are perfect. Would I love a P21+ back duct-taped onto the back of a 1ds3 body? Absolutely, but it's not gonna happen.
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I'm shooting this week in Miami and the weather is challanged.  From bright sunlight to black rain clouds.

Using HMI, some flouescent fill and even strobe the iso thing is a must, in fact a deal breaker when it comes to medium format and the thing is, the files from the 1ds3 are excellent.

The color response is wonderful and easy, the skin tones near perfect.

The tethering thing is a pain in the arse, but the client doesn't notice, in fact the client doesn't know I'm NOT shooting medium format.

They just know if they like the images and the previews are big and the previews are very big and fill the screen.

They know the skin tones are golden brown, the files are smooth, the detail is there.

The upside of using DPP and the EOS utlility is it rotates the files and yesterday I went from horizontal to vertical all day long.

The other upside is the Canon is stupid good at 800 iso and stupid easy to use.  It just runs and runs.  I shot 16 set ups yesterday and with a lower ISO camera we would still be working.

The other upside is at 8 grand, the Canon is cheap.  (I can't believe I just said an $8,000 camera is cheap) but in todays' medium format world $8,000 is like a downpayment on anything else that comes close.

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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2008, 08:21:37 AM »

If I ever get a snooty A.D., I just slap on that giant Lee Bellows Shade onto the front of the 85 1.2. And I made a sticker for the Lee Shade, and on the front of it, it says "Phase One". (The back-up Shade has a Leaf logo on it, in honor of Mr. Yair).

Tear off a strip of black duct tape, slap it over the Canon logo, and instantly, you've saved yourself $30k, and when the AD looks over, he knows he's shooting medium format. Rez up the files in DPP, and everyone's a Happy Camper.

Problem solved. Perception is greater than Reality.
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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2008, 04:35:13 PM »

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I'm shooting this week in Miami and the weather is challanged.  From bright sunlight to black rain clouds.

Using HMI, some flouescent fill and even strobe the iso thing is a must, in fact a deal breaker when it comes to medium format and the thing is, the files from the 1ds3 are excellent.

The color response is wonderful and easy, the skin tones near perfect.

The tethering thing is a pain in the arse, but the client doesn't notice, in fact the client doesn't know I'm NOT shooting medium format.

They just know if they like the images and the previews are big and the previews are very big and fill the screen.

They know the skin tones are golden brown, the files are smooth, the detail is there.

The upside of using DPP and the EOS utlility is it rotates the files and yesterday I went from horizontal to vertical all day long.

The other upside is the Canon is stupid good at 800 iso and stupid easy to use.  It just runs and runs.  I shot 16 set ups yesterday and with a lower ISO camera we would still be working.

The other upside is at 8 grand, the Canon is cheap.  (I can't believe I just said an $8,000 camera is cheap) but in todays' medium format world $8,000 is like a downpayment on anything else that comes close.

JR
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james that sounds like a pretty strong endorsement....
i am shooting a ton of things with my m8s now....great skintones, fast shooting, easy to focus (if you know RF), crisp, snappy files and simply amazing b&w....really almost a MF file if it wasn't for the 10mpix (which become 8mpix because of format and funky finder lines)....but they do uprezz really well....
tried the 3D but that just did not do it for me at all....
looked at the 1dsmk3 files but they just looked to be larger and just as "mushy" as all other canon files....milky sharp is a better way of saying it....
i guess i will have to look at it a little closer....it is frustrating that there is not a camera out there that gives me the file size combined with the speed and flexibility that makes shooting fun....
we all know that a P30 or even P21 is just better but i really find that getting "the shot" is just easier with the m8....and the lenses.....just amazing....if the m8 had 16 mpix, i would be the happiest person in the world....just shot a hair campaign and we had a LONG shotlist and i shot everything with m8...all is good but he cover of the brochure is a composite of 3 tight headshots cropped from 3/4 shots.....printed on 9x6....yes the files do hold up (especially after retouching), but with the P30 this would not even have been a question....but i would not have gotten the shots with the P30....
so i am wondering if the 1dsmk3 files would be so much better? i had the 1dsmk2 and got rid of it...too much "milky sharpness".....also i remember that the files did not hold up well when rezzd up.....does the extra resolution really make a difference, especially considering the relative softness that comes with it?
of course the m8 also does not shoot over 320...maybe 640 but again, with the relatively small file-size things get tricky.....and a semi-clean 640 or even 800 is VERY nice to have....

james: have you tried leica R lenses on the canon? i find that to be one of the biggest differences when i compare the m8 to the DSLRs....i can shoot straight out the window again (like in the film  days....) the leica just handles the transitions so well....the lenses have to play a part in this....because even the P30 has a hard time with that with "lesser" MF lenses....

i guess i am just impatient because if leica announces the FF m9 in september my "problems" should  be solved anyway...of course the m8 wasn't really usable for the first year, but that is a different story.....


a side-note....saw that phase updated C1 today to include automatic lens correction for hass H/V lenses....AND CONTAX! long live the dead....

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« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2008, 05:14:47 PM »

I regularly shoot Leica glass on the 1Ds2 and it makes a NOTABLE difference in delivered sharpness OOC, color rendition, contrast, etc.  You'd swear it was a different sensor.

The best so far: 28/2.8 VerII, 60/2.8 Macro (stellar starting at F4), 100 APO Macro, 180/2.8 APO and 180/2 APO. The 19/2.8 VerII is excellent but needs modification. I personally love the 80 Summilux, but the picture it lays down is not to everyone's taste.

Some of the older Contax (35mm) lenses are also exceptional as are some of the cheaper (but very good) Cosina-Voigtlanders APOs (90/3.5, 180/4 and 125/2.5 macro) and some of the newer Zeiss ZFs (though I do consider them overpriced for what they deliver, the 50/2 macro aside, in terms of CA control and field curvature).
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« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2008, 05:19:53 PM »

I keep reading and rereading this thread thinking I'll find more info about the rumored R10 or new Leica MF camera...   But it its telling that most of the discussion has been turned to the Canon 1DsIII, viewfinders and ISO performance.   These are the things we all need independent of brand or format... Good high ISO files, a nice viewfinder and responsive camera.   If you can't get the shot then the rest doesn't matter.

I hadn't shot my DMR since getting the Rollei 6008/P20 but took it out recently to shoot some stuff with it in an effort to decide whether to sell it or not.   Definitely the files are closer to my P20 than my 5D and the leica glass is great.  A lot of that R glass fits onto the canon so its not a problem if Leica doesn't come out  with a new R body for me anyhow because I'll just buy the 1Ds3 especially after reading here about their new viewfinder. But I wonder about Leica - how many MF bodies will they sell if their existing user base is forced to buy a whole new collection of glass?
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« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2008, 05:56:00 PM »

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I keep reading and rereading this thread thinking I'll find more info about the rumored R10 or new Leica MF camera...   But it its telling that most of the discussion has been turned to the Canon 1DsIII, viewfinders and ISO performance.   These are the things we all need independent of brand or format... Good high ISO files, a nice viewfinder and responsive camera.   If you can't get the shot then the rest doesn't matter.

I hadn't shot my DMR since getting the Rollei 6008/P20 but took it out recently to shoot some stuff with it in an effort to decide whether to sell it or not.   Definitely the files are closer to my P20 than my 5D and the leica glass is great.  A lot of that R glass fits onto the canon so its not a problem if Leica doesn't come out  with a new R body for me anyhow because I'll just buy the 1Ds3 especially after reading here about their new viewfinder. But I wonder about Leica - how many MF bodies will they sell if their existing user base is forced to buy a whole new collection of glass?
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that is what it comes down to....big enough resolution to cover anything that might happen in post (which is quite a bit...) and especially cropping....high iso to shoot "available light" meaning mixing daylight and several different color lightsources...all with keeping the skintones in check....
add in stable tethering and a wide range of available glass and you pretty much get the 1dsmk3....

my m8 files seriously remind me of my 6008/P20 combo.....and those were really only 12 mpix (after 3:4 crop as well but definitely that extra touch larger) but without all the hassle...a big part of that has to be the glass (schneiders with the rollei!) shooting in bright sun with that combo was way easier than with the mamiya 645 or RZ with the P30...that HAS to be the glass....

the 5D is great but the viewfinder just does not work for me....and the highlights never look right...but then again i never tried that one with leica R glass either....

i went to a funky specialist lens shop in downtown LA...the guy sells a lot of leica m and r compatible lenses....and really old funky, uncoated movie lenses and such....a total specialist.....he just asked my why i bothered with the m8...."just use the canon sensor and get the right lenses".....
the problem is that kind of thing is so hard to look into....renting a ds3 is one thing but renting r glass....

the problem with a leica body is the reliability....it took the m8 almost a couple of years to get to the point where i don't have to worry about it...that is just not good enough....
but if it is the only game with a no AA CCD, 3:4 and about 20mpix shooting DNG.....very interesting....

that is one more thing i LOOOOVE about the m8...DNG out of the camera....small, manageable files that i can open in anything and don't have to worry about not being supported in the (near) future.....

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« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2008, 06:17:43 PM »

I use my leica R glass and old olympus zuikos on my 5D.       I did some tests - good glass on the canon's makes a real difference.   Even with lenses like the canon 85mm f/1.2  the leica 80 lux is still better at least IMHO.   After my favorite canon lens the 70-200mm f/4 was stolen in Prague, I thought about buying a new one but the leica 80-200 is a bit better.  Now if I had an even better viewfinder like people are reporting about the 1Ds3 then I wouldn't hesitate to use alternative glass.
Actually I sold all my canon glass except the 90 t/s and 2 IS zooms.   The fact that so many different optics can be fit to the EOS mount really adds a lot to canon's versatility.
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« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2008, 07:13:56 PM »

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i dont see the comparison to the MF viewfinder, it's a LOT bigger and brighter than the mk3 - it's great but not MF IMO...my H3 blows it away from renting it  a few times w/ the H3 on hand...
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maybe the h3 is different, but when ive see it, its only a little more magnfied than the original h1, but i have both cameras- h1 and mk3 in front of me.

i can hold both cameras up looking through both at the same time (one eye each, but the h1 with a p25 mask), the frame height is equal, but the canon has about 20-30% wider in the same finder. on wide shots, its effectively heaps bigger than the h1, and i bet its still bigger than the magnified version of the h3 finder in area.

the thing that the canon beats the h1 hands down- the finder is a perfect rectangle when you look through, but the h1 is a fat distorted one.

i still like my h1, but for different reasons, but the canon has a better finder than the h1 .

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« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2008, 07:27:10 PM »

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I don't have the 1DsIII, but that's very true with other Canon models.  The viewfinder shows depth of field that constantly approximates f/2.5 or f/2.8, even when you're using an f/1.2 lens.  You can test this by using the manual depth of field preview button and gradually stopping down from f/1.2.  There's no change in the apparent depth of field in the viewfinder until you stop down to about f/2.8 or smaller.

Canon offers an optional focusing screen that will show the depth of field at f/1.2, 1.4, etc. (what you see is what you get), but it's so much darker than the standard focusing screen that it's not worth using, in my opinion (unless you always shoot in bright conditions).  The standard focusing screen represents a trade-off:  you gain more brightness in the viewfinder but lose viewing of wide-open-aperture depth of field.
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hi, can you tell me which screen gives you the better representation with fast lenses?
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« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2008, 07:47:44 PM »

This is a pretty good list of what most of us would like to see in any camera.  gwitf and Ronald have detailed it on other threads.

I know, I know . . . somebody is going to say, why keep talking about it, why not just use what's available?  Well as gwitf says, we hope somebody is listening.

To begin with why doesn't every camera shoot a dng file that will work native in anything.  My M8 files will process in Photoshop 7!   The M-8 wasn't even out when 7 was introduced and it didn't take an update to get to use the M-8 files in that or anything.

Next, give us higher iso, even if it means a second back.  I can't even begin to explain the last few days I've worked shooting with flash, HMI, daylight flouresent and daylight and the number of times I've had to go to 640 iso to get the balance exactly right.

I don't need high iso most of the time, heck not even 30% of the time but when I need it and I absolutely can't do without it.

Then if you want to sell us a camera (not talking digital here) just cameras, sell us a camera for life.

Actually so far I have a lifetime camera in a contax and it would take a lot to move me to another camera, but if I did I want it for a long time, not a 18 month cycle.

The AFI is the closest that comes to the lifetime camera, but they really need to get that camera out there in rentals and in the hands of photographers.  It can't be the Bentley of cameras and also not easily available.

As far as color response, the backs need some new settings.  The Phase in completely controlled conditions are great but with a mixture of light, especially ambient bounce, the Canons have remarkably pleasing skin tones.

Maybe this is just dream stuff, maybe our wants are just too small to register, but when I look at that poll on what was asked for ISO, the lcd viewing and lower price were way, way at the head of the list.


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that is what it comes down to....big enough resolution to cover anything that might happen in post (which is quite a bit...) and especially cropping....high iso to shoot "available light" meaning mixing daylight and several different color lightsources...all with keeping the skintones in check....
add in stable tethering and a wide range of available glass and you pretty much get the 1dsmk3....

my m8 files seriously remind me of my 6008/P20 combo.....and those were really only 12 mpix (after 3:4 crop as well but definitely that extra touch larger) but without all the hassle...a big part of that has to be the glass (schneiders with the rollei!) shooting in bright sun with that combo was way easier than with the mamiya 645 or RZ with the P30...that HAS to be the glass....

the 5D is great but the viewfinder just does not work for me....and the highlights never look right...but then again i never tried that one with leica R glass either....

i went to a funky specialist lens shop in downtown LA...the guy sells a lot of leica m and r compatible lenses....and really old funky, uncoated movie lenses and such....a total specialist.....he just asked my why i bothered with the m8...."just use the canon sensor and get the right lenses".....
the problem is that kind of thing is so hard to look into....renting a ds3 is one thing but renting r glass....

the problem with a leica body is the reliability....it took the m8 almost a couple of years to get to the point where i don't have to worry about it...that is just not good enough....
but if it is the only game with a no AA CCD, 3:4 and about 20mpix shooting DNG.....very interesting....

that is one more thing i LOOOOVE about the m8...DNG out of the camera....small, manageable files that i can open in anything and don't have to worry about not being supported in the (near) future.....
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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2008, 11:40:35 PM »

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Imagine this in wi-fi.  Imagine this device if you could wi-fi to 4 of them AND a computer with an easy setup.


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Imagine this device if it had a touch screen and wi-fi.

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« Reply #75 on: August 14, 2008, 12:14:03 AM »

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Imagine this in wi-fi. Imagine this device if you could wi-fi to 4 of them AND a computer with an easy setup.
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We're getting closer, young man.

Imagine that device, with a Canon logo on it, and imagine if Canon's new WIFI device for the 1ds3 actually worked. Imagine if the working WIFI device could send out a tiny compressed JPG to that device. Imagine if the 1ds4 had a new custom menu that said "Playback to Slot One, or Slot Two, or External Device WIFI". Imagine that a version of EOS Utility was burned right into the firmware of this device, to receive and display the JPG for the Art Director.

The 1ds4 would still write the RAW to the CF card in Slot One, but the tiny compressed JPG Small would be WIFI'd to the external viewer.

And a four-inch LCD, like this unit features, is getting near the size of the old 669 Polaroid.

We're getting closer.

By the time that we're too old to care any more, they'll have it figured out.

Let's hope that PhaseOne is taking note of this too, but my money is on Canon/Nikon to actually figure it out.
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« Reply #76 on: August 14, 2008, 02:21:57 AM »

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Imagine this in wi-fi.  Imagine this device if you could wi-fi to 4 of them AND a computer with an easy setup.
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Imagine this device if it had a touch screen and wi-fi.

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the canon wifi adapter enables the dsmkIII to shoot directly to a usb harddrive....i wonder if it could shoot directly to this epson....why not? it would then of course show the files as they come in...
not quite wifi but something....

leaf has had this since their aptus line....the bluetooth connection with the ipaq...worked amazingly well, especially considering how slow bluetooth is....

phase promised something with wifi years ago.....i guess even wifi N isn't really fast enough to cope with 30mb x5/sec.....usb sure isn't....

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« Reply #77 on: August 14, 2008, 06:19:48 AM »

Leica will have a press conference the next September 14th.

They will present the new products. New lenses for the M system and the new reflex system. Maybe new types of products not related with photography.
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« Reply #78 on: August 14, 2008, 06:54:34 AM »

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We're getting closer, young man.

Imagine that device, with a Canon logo on it, and imagine if Canon's new WIFI device for the 1ds3 actually worked. Imagine if the working WIFI device could send out a tiny compressed JPG to that device. Imagine if the 1ds4 had a new custom menu that said "Playback to Slot One, or Slot Two, or External Device WIFI". Imagine that a version of EOS Utility was burned right into the firmware of this device, to receive and display the JPG for the Art Director.

The 1ds4 would still write the RAW to the CF card in Slot One, but the tiny compressed JPG Small would be WIFI'd to the external viewer.

And a four-inch LCD, like this unit features, is getting near the size of the old 669 Polaroid.

We're getting closer.

By the time that we're too old to care any more, they'll have it figured out.

Let's hope that PhaseOne is taking note of this too, but my money is on Canon/Nikon to actually figure it out.
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Canon makes one of these devices for Canon files (at least they sell it in Japan), but it won't work with any other file.   The Epson will as long as it's a dslr, (no medium format).

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I bought the Epson for a fashion editorial shoot in Japan.  We set up a tethered station, but also used the Epson device and the Japanese clients loved it.  They could hold it and thumb through the images themselves and had the jpegs ready to download to their computer for comps and fpos.

We never ran the thethered computer, except for backup.

The problem with the Epson was (maybe still is) that the battery use is very low.  Just downloadin and viewing a few cards pretty much used up the power.

I don't get it because the new Nikon and the new Canon cameras the batteries last forever.

The other problem is the interface takes some time to get used to, because it's not touch screen.

Touch screen is the way to go.

I just have the feeling the technology is there, it's just nobody wants to do it or the companies that want to don't have the resource, except Apple and I guess Apple doesn't care that much about professional photograpy given the fact that they are selling 60 trillion Ipods a week.

I still wonder how hard it is for some kid in Sweden to hack an Ipod touch to accept a jpeg from a camera.



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« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2008, 10:37:31 AM »

I can hack you an app that will send images to any wifi ipod, iphone or laptop in the room.

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