Mamiya 150mm 2.8 D lens . Some test images

[Guy Mancuso]

Hi folks,

I received the new Mamiya 150mm 2.8 D lens they other day and as you know really hard to get right now and needless to say very expensive lens to boot. Well I went out and just shot everything in my way nothing special image wise but a good run on the lens. Frankly this maybe there best lens yet from Mamiya. The bloody thing is extremely sharp wide open. i posted a thread on my forum and i will post a link but there is just to much to post here but I thought folks should see this stuff, so Michael pardon the link but I am being lazy. If you want to delete this that is fine by me but  I have no issues with linking back and forth nor does Jack. Great info is great info period.

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2790

[Natasa Stojsic]

Hi folks,

I received the new Mamiya 150mm 2.8 D lens they other day and as you know really hard to get right now and needless to say very expensive lens to boot. Well I went out and just shot everything in my way nothing special image wise but a good run on the lens. Frankly this maybe there best lens yet from Mamiya. The bloody thing is extremely sharp wide open. i posted a thread on my forum and i will post a link but there is just to much to post here but I thought folks should see this stuff, so Michael pardon the link but I am being lazy. If you want to delete this that is fine by me but  I have no issues with linking back and forth nor does Jack. Great info is great info period.

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2790
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I love it  

I am selling my 150mm f3.5 AF

[Guy Mancuso]

I did too. This is a screamer folks the new 2.8 D

[TMARK]

Hi folks,

I received the new Mamiya 150mm 2.8 D lens they other day and as you know really hard to get right now and needless to say very expensive lens to boot. Well I went out and just shot everything in my way nothing special image wise but a good run on the lens. Frankly this maybe there best lens yet from Mamiya. The bloody thing is extremely sharp wide open. i posted a thread on my forum and i will post a link but there is just to much to post here but I thought folks should see this stuff, so Michael pardon the link but I am being lazy. If you want to delete this that is fine by me but  I have no issues with linking back and forth nor does Jack. Great info is great info period.

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2790
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It looks great, it just needs to be 40 or 50 mm shorter!  The 150 3.5 is a sharp lens, nice OOF etc, but the CA wide open  ruins it for me.  It appears that the 2.8 has no such problems.  

What are they asking for it?

T

[James R Russell]

It looks great, it just needs to be 40 or 50 mm shorter!  The 150 3.5 is a sharp lens, nice OOF etc, but the CA wide open  ruins it for me.  It appears that the 2.8 has no such problems. 

What are they asking for it?

T
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110 f2 is a must.  Let me repeat this . . . A MUST.

150mm is too long for nearly all fashion/glamor and portrait, especially with any form of 1.16 to 1.26 crop.

2.8 is too slow.  F2 or 2.4 at the slowest.

JR

[JerryReed]

110 f2 is a must.  Let me repeat this . . . A MUST.

150mm is too long for nearly all fashion/glamor and portrait, especially with any form of 1.16 to 1.26 crop.

2.8 is too slow.  F2 or 2.4 at the slowest.

JR


Just checking, what is the crop factor with the back that you are using?

Jerry Reed

[Guy Mancuso]

I'm using the P25 plus but which is about a 90mm in 35mm FF . James is shooting the P30 plus and P 21plus which has a 1.3 crop factor so it is I believe around 120mm for those backs. Myself i love the 75mm to 90 mm focal lengths in 35mm FF, so for me the 150mm is not too long. The lens cost is about 3300.00 US

[stevephoto]

i think:

i would calculate 150mm (MF) on a P25 as being 108mm (35mm) and  150mm (MF) on a P30 as being 118mm (35mm)

mr russel's love affair with 110mm(MF) on a P30 would be a similar love affair to 87mm (35mm)

i am not happy to be corrected on these values, but if i learn something new, i will take it on the chin

[JerryReed]

I'm using the P25 plus but which is about a 90mm in 35mm FF . James is shooting the P30 plus and P 21plus which has a 1.3 crop factor so it is I believe around 120mm for those backs. Myself i love the 75mm to 90 mm focal lengths in 35mm FF, so for me the 150mm is not too long. The lens cost is about 3300.00 US
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Guy,

Thanks for your response.  Knowing the effective focal lengths is helpful in getting the most from the opinions of professionals,like James, whose opinions are quite helpful in making equipment decisions.

Thanks again,

Jerry Reed

[Guy Mancuso]

here is a calculator. Trying to figure it out myself. LOL

http://www.captureintegration.com/tools/our-tools/

[Guy Mancuso]

here is a calculator. Trying to figure it out myself. LOL

http://www.captureintegration.com/tools/our-tools/
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Okay my bad it is 106mm on the P25 and on a P30 it is 118mm in respect to FF 35mm

[stevephoto]

relating MF to 35mm values is based on the diagonal though, so dependent on what you shoot, you need to recalcuate those figures if you wanted to compare object to camera distance

[James R Russell]

I'm using the P25 plus but which is about a 90mm in 35mm FF . James is shooting the P30 plus and P 21plus which has a 1.3 crop factor so it is I believe around 120mm for those backs. Myself i love the 75mm to 90 mm focal lengths in 35mm FF, so for me the 150mm is not too long. The lens cost is about 3300.00 US
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It's not the crop, it's the compression.  For 75% of what I do, 150mm is too long, even for full frame (whatever that is anymore).  150mm looks to detached for me.  Like I'm peering through some window and if I want that look then I need even a longer lens.

Medium format needs an 85mm Canon 1.2 equivilent.  That lens is magic and is so good I thought about having it welded to my Canons.

My F series Blad 110 F2 is close to the same, but it's manual focus and requires stop down.

JR

P.S.  We can all thank Mark Tucker for saving the 85mm 1.2 from the scrap heap of KEH.  His early RG days caused huge interest and kept that lens alive.  Canon should send him a Lexus.

[James R Russell]

BMW
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I probably shouldn't speak about MT, since he's not active here anymore, but he is the perfect tester (God he'd hate that term) for a camera system, cause he'd beat the living hell out of it then stick it back together with liquid nails, shoot 4 photos of every part that broke and tell us all about it .

That's what every maker needs and usually the very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, last thing any camera maker wants to hear in public.

It's a shame because MT knows that we buy these things to make a living and move our art upstream so we can do better work and make a better living and buy more of this stuff to make even a better living.

He knows that these aren't Rolexes we put on our wrist to wow the golfers at the Country Club and unlike 98% of all the photographers in the world, MT ain't looking for anything free.

The perfect tester.

JR

[eronald]

110 f2 is a must.  Let me repeat this . . . A MUST.

150mm is too long for nearly all fashion/glamor and portrait, especially with any form of 1.16 to 1.26 crop.

2.8 is too slow.  F2 or 2.4 at the slowest.

JR
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I bough the Hassy 110/2 and with an ebay adapter infinity focus looks good. Th lens is now welded on to my Mamiya, results are wonderful. I just wish there were an MF system with this lens available in AF.

Edmund

[Doug Peterson]

Okay my bad it is 106mm on the P25 and on a P30 it is 118mm in respect to FF 35mm
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The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P30/P21 (1.3x factor):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P30/P21
A 189mm f3.5 lens used with 120 film
A 118mm f2.2 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 417mm f7.8 lens used with 4x5 film

The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P45/P25 (1.1 crop):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P45/P25
A 170mm f/3.2 lens used with 120 film
A 106mm f/2.0 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 374mm f/7.0 lens used with 4x5 film

The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P65 (1.0 crop):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P65
A 155mm f/2.9 lens used with 120 film
A 96mm f/1.8 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 341mm f/6.4 lens used with 4x5 film

Hope that clears things up; I know the numbers can start to get dizzying. I used our [a href=\"http://www.captureintegration.com/tools/our-tools/]Focal Length Equivalence Calculator[/url] (though I used a pre-release version that includes aperture equivalence).

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*obviously sharpness, bokeh etc of any lens made to these specs will vary widely; there is a huge difference between a lens which is relatively sharp wide open and one which is nearly unusable wide open[/span]

[James R Russell]

The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P30/P21 (1.3x factor):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P30/P21
A 189mm f3.5 lens used with 120 film
A 118mm f2.2 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 417mm f7.8 lens used with 4x5 film

The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P45/P25 (1.1 crop):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P45/P25
A 170mm f/3.2 lens used with 120 film
A 106mm f/2.0 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 374mm f/7.0 lens used with 4x5 film

The following are the same* as using the new 150mm f/2.8 lens on a P65 (1.0 crop):
A 150mm f/2.8 lens used with a P65
A 155mm f/2.9 lens used with 120 film
A 96mm f/1.8 lens used with 35mm film (or FF dSLR)
A 341mm f/6.4 lens used with 4x5 film

Hope that clears things up; I know the numbers can start to get dizzying. I used our Focal Length Equivalence Calculator (though I used a pre-release version that includes aperture equivalence).

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*obviously sharpness, bokeh etc of any lens made to these specs will vary widely; there is a huge difference between a lens which is relatively sharp wide open and one which is nearly unusable wide open[/span]
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Charts are charts, pretty is pretty and you can convert these things all day long, but an 80mm on a p30 does not look like a 100 mm lens, it bends and looks like an 80mm that has been cropped.

Consequently a 150mm on a p30 does not "look" like a 190mm lens it looks like a 150mm that's been cropped (because it has).

Regardless 110 to around 120 in the current medium format backs is almost perfect for what a lot of us do, especailly if it is fast and fast is very important in the world of medium format because of the limited iso.

When I shoot with the 140 on location, I'm always out a door or in hallway or somewhere that doesn't allow much movement and 140 to 150mm is sometimes too much compression for what I'm shooting.  I lose some of the humanity.

When I use the 110 blad lens that humanity comes back and I'm not down hallway, or perched across some bathroom sink.

I don't get why there is not a lot of 110 fast lenses for the new medium format cameras, because I'll bet you dollars to donuts Canon sells more 85 1.2's a month than Mamiya will sell that 150mm in two years.

Once again we can chart and convert this stuff until we run out of spread sheets but it doesn't change the fact that medium format needs more lenses.

JR

[eronald]

That 80/1.2 costs as much as a 5D these days  - I don't think any 5D-only shooter who han't used one will buy it. We old guys have it, because we paid for the 1Ds and then the 85/1.2 was the price of an accessory.

Edmund

I don't get why there is not a lot of 110 fast lenses for the new medium format cameras, because I'll bet you dollars to donuts Canon sells more 85 1.2's a month than Mamiya will sell that 150mm in two years.re lenses.

JR
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[Guy Mancuso]

Well I was not a big fan of the Canon 85mm 1.2 compared to the Leica R 80mm 1.4 and the Leica M 75 lux which given the 1.3 crop factor on them made them around 100mm lenses. I happen to like that focal length a lot myself but we all have different needs. Now 2.8 being slow is somewhat relative also. I can shoot at ISO 400 also without to much damage . Yes faster would be nice no question but than size would be a factor too. I gave up on stop down crap. I did it way to long and it sucks in the long run. But let's also face some reality you need high ISO you may just turn to Nikon or Canon for it but I just did a runway show in NY at ISO 800 that just sings with my P25 Plus. So I guess much depends on what soup you are in on any given moment.

[eronald]

Well I was not a big fan of the Canon 85mm 1.2 compared to the Leica R 80mm 1.4 and the Leica M 75 lux which given the 1.3 crop factor on them made them around 100mm lenses. I happen to like that focal length a lot myself but we all have different needs. Now 2.8 being slow is somewhat relative also. I can shoot at ISO 400 also without to much damage . Yes faster would be nice no question but than size would be a factor too. I gave up on stop down crap. I did it way to long and it sucks in the long run. But let's also face some reality you need high ISO you may just turn to Nikon or Canon for it but I just did a runway show in NY at ISO 800 that just sings with my P25 Plus. So I guess much depends on what soup you are in on any given moment.
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Guy, I like the garage shot, nice lighting. As for the lens, I'm sorry but apart from your personal very high skill as a photographer, and nice choice of topic, framing and lighting, I'm not impressed by the actual technical qualities you are showing from this product. I have the old 150, can be had at $300 from any used dealer in the US. The Hassy 110 has the blur and the speed if that is what one wants ... funny part is as soon as I put the 110 on the Mamiya, I could see the difference on the back display, it must be something to do with the way the light exits the rear pupil.

Edmund