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Morris Taub

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« on: July 07, 2008, 11:29:11 pm »

Can someone explain how he got that effect in his photos?

Looks a bit like lens baby stuff but much nicer.

Haven't finished reading his article yet...

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 01:06:12 am »

Part of it is a super wide aperture, possibly 1.0 and then I'm guessing fairly wide angle with some distance from the subject.  But mostly super shallow depth of field.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 02:21:50 am »

Actually this looks every bit like a Photoshop technique sometimes referred to as miniaturising or something like that; Google it and you will find several references on how to do it. It’s actually quite easy. I don't know for a fact that is what he did, but it sure looks like it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 07:13:55 am »

As already mentioned this effect is easily attained with a tilt-shift lens and a wide aperture although it does not need to be 1.0, 2.8-4.0 is wide enough.

The opposite of using scheimpflug. No Photoshopping needed.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 07:14:33 am »

Tilt shift lens. I have had some success shooting our local football stadium this way -- a very interesting effect.

Canon (and now Nikon) makes 3 T/S lenses, the 24, 45, and 90. I have only the 24, but it's one of my favorites. I suppose I'm not using it in the manner for which it was intended -- architecture and the like -- but I get a lot of usable images out of it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 01:54:47 pm »

Is this the next Dragan effect we'll be inundated with for the next 12 months?

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 03:08:00 pm »

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Probably yes, although people have been doing this for years (not only with Canons but also with 4x5 technical view cameras, if we remember film...).
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 03:27:41 pm »

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Yeah, but millions photogeeks don't have 4x5 technical view cameras, but they do to have PS

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 03:38:38 pm »

I use the technique for people shots, for example in classrooms. It lets me have someone in the foreground in focus, while the background is wildly out of focus very quickly. This is a much stronger effect than shooting with a fast lens wide open, especially when we are talking about a 24mm lens.

The high-angle landscape version (a la Laforet) is cool, but IMHO it requires large prints in order to have the full effect. Doesn't do as much for me as a small web image (where most of my work ends up, alas.) But I'll still try it on occasion.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 10:18:33 pm »

ok, just wanted to thank everyone for the help, explanations...i wondered how this was done...nice effect...

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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 05:47:23 pm »

I just stumbled upon this site. I'm not usually a Photoshop Curmudgeon, but I have to admit this takes the fun out of it a little bit.

Bit of a parlor trick to my taste, but I could see how some interesting images could be made.

I may try some of the kids' room.

Tilt-Shift Photography in PS, a tutorial
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008, 08:22:06 pm »

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I just stumbled upon this site. I'm not usually a Photoshop Curmudgeon, but I have to admit this takes the fun out of it a little bit.

Bit of a parlor trick to my taste, but I could see how some interesting images could be made.

I may try some of the kids' room.

Tilt-Shift Photography in PS, a tutorial
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The effect is convincing.  All those PS steps stand in contrast to Vincent's shots in that he shoots JPEG (which I always find interesting, but it certainly works for him) with the T/S and then sorts in Aperture to make his selections and then ... well, that's more or less it as I understand his workflow from the comments he's made in print.  Certainly a nice tutorial for those of us who do not own a T/S but may want to experiment with a similar effect.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008, 01:00:22 pm »

Vince shoots raw he even had to fight the NY Times to let him shoot raw when away and on assigment.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2008, 03:03:33 pm »

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Can someone explain how he got that effect in his photos?

Looks a bit like lens baby stuff but much nicer.

Haven't finished reading his article yet...

thanks

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Would you mind sharing a link to the article in question? Thanks.
I assume the images look something like this?
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 04:06:32 pm »

Its called reverse scheimpflug and yes, you can get it using tilt on a T/S lens, but I find it less convincing than with 5x4

Some things just work much better with 5x4. You can get the effect with quite a small aperture, f8 even, because you can get so much more tilt.  



http://www.ebonycamera.com/gal.contrib/freemanp/index.html

The 'toy' effect is getting a little bit belaboured these days. The challenge is to use it to do more than say 'hey this looks like a toy'.

Olivio Barbieri is the most successful exponent of the 'its a toy approach' and he's been doing it a long while. At least since the start of the 1990's. The early China ones are quite amazing.

http://www.metropolismag.com/cda/story.php?artid=1760
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008, 04:19:21 pm »

gone to new pastures
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2008, 10:01:26 pm »

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2008, 10:12:08 pm »

If you can shoot chrome you can shoot jpg


(given, I'm a raw guy myself.)
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2008, 10:38:37 pm »

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I had read Vincent's comment in a write-up where he was describing his work flow - I believe it was for Apple and was a description of capturing something like 25,000 images on Hawaii for Canon's use in a 30D brochure.  The same comments were made in a article by Eamon Hickey on Rob Galbraith's site:

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The pertinent bit:

"Laforet shoots JPEGs almost exclusively. He almost always uses one of the manual white balance presets or dials in a direct Kelvin temperature (and in non-aerial work will sometimes check a test shot on his laptop to verify the color temperature). He turns in-camera sharpening off, and uses Color Matrix 1.


Laforet favors JPEG files for the obvious reasons: speed of processing/editing and smaller file size. 'I tend to shoot a lot,' he says, explaining that vibrations and the position of obstacles such as the helicopter's skids and rotors are impossible to predict. 'So you counteract that by hammering [the motor drive]. Sometimes everything is moving so fast, you can't really see what you're shooting, and you just hope you get one good frame in there.' At the same time, 'you've got to be careful [about overshooting]. Editing aerials is really time-consuming, because it's all about little details. And I'm almost always doing it on deadline.'

In a more recent post on Digital Photo Pro (http://www.digitalphotopro.com/art/still-a-photographer)  Vincent says:   "'I shoot RAW, no exception.'  Regardless of for whom he's shooting, Laforet always acquires images in Camera Raw, not RAW + JPEG, because of the way he integrates Apple Aperture into his workflow. "It would just be a waste of time," he says. "My basic workflow is to shoot the highest quality you can. I then import my images into Aperture with an Automator plug-in."

 But then see an Apple Pro profile where his capture is described as RAW + JPEG: http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/laforet/index2.html

"Capture and Ingest
After filling a flash card with images, Laforet needed only to insert it into a card reader attached to his PowerBook and immediately return to shooting.

Image Capture allowed an automatic download of the flash card images into a specific folder on the PowerBook, and its auto-run script option allowed an Automator script to be launched after all images had been copied locally.

That script separated RAW and JPEG images into two different folders, moved the JPEGs into the public folder (so others could see via AFP), copied the large JPEGs into another folder for resizing, scaled and recompressed larger JPEGs into smaller ones, and labeled the finished small JPEGs folder so that the photo editor would know that the task is complete.


Remote Transmission
Personal file sharing allowed Laforet’s picture editor in another venue to connect with the public folder on Laforet’s laptop, which had a static IP address. Laforet’s public folder mounted on the editor’s desktop for browsing in Aperture.

Optimized Photo-Edit
Jeremiah Bogert, Laforet’s picture editor, browsed the photographer’s nearly 2000 low-res images using Aperture’s multi-image viewer and Light Table features for side-by-side comparisons on a 30-inch Apple Cinema Display.

Bogert copied the final “selects” — five to ten large JPEG images — from Laforet’s PowerBook to his own computer, where he opened them to verify integrity and focus, and sharpen and crop if necessary.

Transfer
An FTP client was used to transfer six final large JPEG images to the Times for publication on the web and in the newspaper."

So he shoots - ... perhaps deelig has the most up-to-date info.

Back to the tilt-sift - here's a recent Laforet tilt-shift for Newsweek from the summer games - second image down:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/olympicpix/...10-seconds.aspx
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2008, 04:02:15 am »

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Would you mind sharing a link to the article in question? Thanks.
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Here you go...this link was on the LL What's New page on 7 July...

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