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marc gerritsen

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« Reply #100 on: July 07, 2008, 08:46:53 pm »

Anyone of you know for certain if it is possible to use the HTS 1.5 tilt and shift adapter
on a H3d39
maybe this was mentioned before
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« Reply #101 on: July 07, 2008, 08:58:27 pm »

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Anyone of you know for certain if it is possible to use the HTS 1.5 tilt and shift adapter
on a H3d39
maybe this was mentioned before
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thanks
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It's been mentioned, yes, but until it's released..

MR's write up: [a href=\"http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/H3DII-50.shtml]http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/.../H3DII-50.shtml[/url]

Hasselblad's write up: http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/1332322...s_datasheet.pdf

I am looking forward to the T/S.
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« Reply #102 on: July 07, 2008, 08:58:42 pm »

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Anyone of you know for certain if it is possible to use the HTS 1.5 tilt and shift adapter
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Yes absolutely.

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« Reply #103 on: July 07, 2008, 09:03:56 pm »

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Yes absolutely.

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I should also add, that since the 50mp version isn't slated for release until 2009 Q1, the T/S must have been developed on/for the H3DII31/39.
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« Reply #104 on: July 08, 2008, 12:23:34 am »

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I should also add, that since the 50mp version isn't slated for release until 2009 Q1, the T/S must have been developed on/for the H3DII31/39.
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Thanks!
this is good news to get confirmed
as in my case, this will kill a few birds with one stone
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« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2008, 01:55:23 am »

ya, I'm on board for a T/S adapter - I'm selling of some soon to be redundant gear...T/S adapter is best news I've heard on this system in a while...
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« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2008, 03:22:22 am »

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A studio manager I had in LA that started working digital with me, had probably the most astute observation yet, comparing film to digital.

He was sitting at his computers, cataloging drives with a calibration puck hanging off his monitor and said "You know  . . . some day we'll look at a roll of film and think "with processing that only cost me $15 and we'll laugh at how cheap that was".
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Yes and no. Costs are now front loaded and the photographer bears/charges most of them. Formerly, they were distributed over a wider area.

On the issue of charging, I charge the same for a 39Mp file as I do for a 4x5 sheet. In my part of the world, a 60x45cm scan from a 4x5 tranny would cost more than that. Maybe I'm not charging enough!  

The advantage is that, when I'm working on a large shoot involving lots of table top shots, the processing fee is larger than the shoot fee. If there were any complaints, and there never have been, I'd show them the scanning house's price list and say, "OK, let's shoot it on film."

But, I'm now way off topic. Apologies to OP.

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« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2008, 04:09:09 am »

I like the HTS 1.5!
However,as a Hy6 user, I could do similar with my 55PCS + Longar 1.4x and get a 77 PCS.
Sure,with the Blad you get a 45 with using the 28.

Still need that arTec! LOL

Cheers,
Willem.
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« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2008, 04:27:53 am »

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I could not agree with you more. I have suggested this on a number of occasions with Hasselblad, and they seem to have no interest in it. They appear to be wedded  to the idea that the camera and software should be set up to provide "accurate" color as the default setting(a good Macbeth Color Checker?), and if you want an alternative look, go figure out how to do it yourself and create a preset in the software. Well, it's easy in digital to amp up the look of the file with S curves and saturation bumps, but I have grown to dislike that look.  Most digital color work that I see looks way over the top. It screams. I find it difficult with digital to achieve the look of beautiful, large format color neg films like you see in the work of photographers like Joel Meyerowitz.  Hasselblad should go figure this all out for me. This is their job, not mine. I am NOT a color scientist. There are no doubt a lot of unemployed guys in Rochester that were terrific at doing the R&D on film that could help Hasselblad.
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I am the only one at ICC meetings who agrees with himself that there is a problem  getting good color from RAW files. The tech issues are solved, but a disagreement among the various members of the market make the leading brand of Raw software about as color friendly as Windows is user-friendly. I think the problem will get better when some camera maker creates a totally integrated suite that just works - like the Mac improved the user experience of PC users.

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« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2008, 04:59:56 am »

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I am the only one at ICC meetings who agrees with himself that there is a problem getting good color from RAW files.

Who are you agreeing with?
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« Reply #110 on: July 08, 2008, 08:04:00 am »

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I am the only one at ICC meetings who agrees with himself...[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=206361\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
It is always refreshing to see such honesty!
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« Reply #111 on: July 08, 2008, 09:44:56 am »

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At least I'm conscious of some of my failings

If photographers were more vocal abut interoperable color things might improve - after all it was easy to get Fuji color from a Nikon camera by dropping in a 35mm canister, but it's real hard to force Lightroom to mimic a Fuji Jpeg rendering.


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« Reply #112 on: July 08, 2008, 10:12:35 am »

Here's an interesting link to a notion called "pixel density". I know it's geared to DSLR, but perhaps it will catch on in the MFDB industry as well. Kind of like when LCD monitors started publishing brightness measurements in terms of (cd/m2).

Maybe pixel density has been out there and I've missed it, but it seems like its a good relative number.
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« Reply #113 on: July 08, 2008, 11:07:53 am »

I just learned that Hasselblad announced this new back the same day that Kodak made developer kits available to the back manufacturers. It seems fair to conclude that Hasselblad announced this new back before they had even tested this new sensor. If so, the 50MP back could not have existed at that time, even in prototype form. Let's see how much noise they make about being "first to introduce a 50MP back".
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« Reply #114 on: July 08, 2008, 11:28:00 am »

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I just learned that Hasselblad announced this new back the same day that Kodak made developer kits available to the back manufacturers. It seems fair to conclude that Hasselblad announced this new back before they had even tested this new sensor. If so, the 50MP back could not have existed at that time, even in prototype form. Let's see how much noise they make about being "first to introduce a 50MP back".
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In all fairness, Hasselblad probably had pre-release units to test with its electronics or the published specs were within tolerance of prior chips - either way, the marketing benefit from an early announcement of such a camera, to be available in just under a year, is marketing genius.

It generates interest, builds brand name recognition as a forerunner and clarifies the distance between itself and the competition. People who previously doubted a purchase of a Hasselblad product now could feel much more comfortable with the notion/concept that Hasselblad is on the forefront of technology.

Bottom-line: It’s all about marketing and perception. No one will tell your story better than you, and in this case, Hasselblad tells a great story about a great future camera (other examples include: first full frame MF, the space camera, etc…). Just look at these great photographers that Hasselblad uses to promote their brand:

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Kodak creates a new sensor, these photographers created a brand and name for themselves -- Hasselblad is piggy-backing for the ride.

To me, this is sheer brilliance and something to be studied, admired and emulated in our own business endeavors.
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« Reply #115 on: July 08, 2008, 11:51:21 am »

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To me, this is sheer brilliance and something to be studied, admired and emulated in our own business endeavors.
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Dear customer,
I will learn to make excellent images for you next year.

Best regards,
Your photographer (who was the first to announce his new skills)


     
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« Reply #116 on: July 08, 2008, 11:55:37 am »

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Dear customer,
I will learn to make excellent images for you next year.

Best regards,
Your photographer (who was the first to announce his new skills)
    
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LOL - I was being both serious and sarcastic at the same time - but you got the point indeed. This is all this is guys.

With regards to the T/S - already called my dealer, he didn't know, but I am interested.
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« Reply #117 on: July 08, 2008, 11:58:24 am »

LOL

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« Reply #118 on: July 08, 2008, 12:00:59 pm »

It is funny indeed.

The brilliant part is in when you can get that customer to pay you upfront and have him come back for more every time.
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« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2008, 12:07:21 pm »

Some preliminary technical details of the new 50MP KAF-50100 sensor are now available at
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/IS...138/13219/13220
For comparison the 39MP KAF-39000 details are at
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/IS...138/12249/12161

The biggest progress for IQ is probably reducing read noise from 16e- to 12.5e-, just enough to hold the line on per pixel S/N ratio and D/R, since well capacity is reduced in the same proportion. (That should reduce visible noise and improve dynamic range on a "per image" basis, comparing at equal image size and viewing distance.)


Also, the 22MP KAF-22000 is now on the discontinued list (indeed all the color Full Frame CCDs with 9 micron pixel size are now discontinued) so the 22MP backs are going away.
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