Topic: MFDB Interchangeability (Read 6854 times)

Harold Clark · « **on:** June 23, 2008, 11:14:57 am »

I am planning on getting a DB for my Mamiya RZ soon. Since I do mainly location work the 645 would be better in some situations, so I thought I could supplement the RZ with a 645 and a few lenses eventually. Besides, I can't bear to part with my RZ system for the pittance I would get for it.

However, I have just inherited a Hasselblad system, 5 bodies & 7 lenses from 38mm to 250mm, including an imacon 200mm. I thought this might be a good location camera, and as I understand it, I can use a V mount DB on the RZ with adapter. What I don't know is whether a Mamiya mount DB could be adapted to the Hasselblad. If so, this would leave the door open for Mamiya/Phase 645 in case the Hasselblad doesn't work out as planned.

Although I have done my own focussing for over 25 years, I find AF very useful on my Canons for editorial style portraiture, and I could see the benefit with the 645 as well. Any suggestions much appreciated.

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2008, 11:18:58 am »

If you get a MFDB like a Sinar eMotion, with the adapter system, you can use the same back on various Sinar view cameras, Contax 645 AF, Hasselblad H1 & H2, Hasselblad 5xx series, Mamiya 645 AFD, AFD II, Mamiya 645 Super, Pro; Pro TL, Mamiya RZ 67, RZ 67 Pro II and Rolleiflex 6001, 6003, 6008 prof, 6008 integral, 6008 integral 2, 6008 AF

clawery · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2008, 11:42:57 am »

Harold,

If you decided to purchase a Phase One DB with a 3 year Value Added Warranty, you would be able to change the platform mount for the full 3 years for free. So you could start out with a Hasselblad V mount and change within 3 years to the Phase 645 mount.

Chris Lawery
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Dustbak · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2008, 11:54:29 am »

There are 2 brands that provide you with a lot of flexibility. Sinar already has been mentioned, Hasselblad is the 2nd with its CF line. Both have adapter plates that can be used with virtually all systems.

pprdigital · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2008, 12:09:30 pm »

The advantage of both the Sinar and Hasselblad user changeable mount systems is that you could use your digital back on multiple cameras on the same day, if you so desired.

For someone who shoots with both Hasselblad V and Mamiya 645, you would have that flexibility with either Sinar or Hassleblad. You would not have that flexibility with Phase One or Leaf.

Steve Hendrix
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Harold Clark · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2008, 12:30:24 pm »

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The advantage of both the Sinar and Hasselblad user changeable mount systems is that you could use your digital back on multiple cameras on the same day, if you so desired.

For someone who shoots with both Hasselblad V and Mamiya 645, you would have that flexibility with either Sinar or Hassleblad. You would not have that flexibility with Phase One or Leaf.

Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com/digital.php
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Thanks everyone for this information. I am leaning towards Phase, because it has best support in my area. However, Hasselblad is an option as well as Leaf. I am not sure of the status of Sinar ( Toronto region ) Interchangeability is a good feature, hopefully all the manufacturers will eventually adopt this. So it looks like as of now a Mamiya 645 mount Phase or Leaf can't be adapted to V mount, while Hasselblad/Imacon or Sinar can.

dergiman · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2008, 01:07:03 pm »

how difficult is it to change the adapter on the sinarbacks? how long does it take and do i need a new foilstack every time?

felipe

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2008, 01:51:46 pm »

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how difficult is it to change the adapter on the sinarbacks? how long does it take and do i need a new foilstack every time?

felipe
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Not difficult and takes about 2 minutes once you know what you are doing. You will have a foil stack for one mount and another foil stack for another mount. They are very strong and won't need to be replaced even after years of use.

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2008, 01:53:16 pm »

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I am not sure of the status of Sinar ( Toronto region )
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Dustbak · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2008, 02:33:38 pm »

Same for the Hasselblad. You normally do not need shims (same thing as the foil stack). Only in some cases you need to be shimming. These things are sturdy & you only have to do it once (per body/back combination) if you need to shim it at all. I needed to do it only once where I have used at least 6 different bodies (553, 501, 555, DigiFlex, Flexbody, etc..). It is also a very simply task to perform.

I would be very happy with either the Sinar or the Hasselblad in case I need a back that uses adapter plates.

dergiman · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2008, 01:53:52 am »

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Not difficult and takes about 2 minutes once you know what you are doing. You will have a foil stack for one mount and another foil stack for another mount. They are very strong and won't need to be replaced even after years of use.
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thanks graham!

thsinar · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2008, 02:18:54 am »

Just a little correction to Graham's reply:

Actually the eMotion backs DO NOT use foil stacks (shims) anymore and since a while, BUT "Spacer Plates". You don't have to adjust those spacers plates, they are ready to be put between the adapter and the back. Each adapter comes with its spacer plate (one size/thickness for each body platform).

And yes, Graham is right: the change is done in a couple of minutes.

Best regards,
Thierry

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how difficult is it to change the adapter on the sinarbacks? how long does it take and do i need a new foilstack every time?

felipe
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dergiman · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2008, 05:35:32 am »

thanks Thierry for the clarification. do you know where i can get a refurb e22 in europe?

thsinar · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2008, 05:58:50 am »

Dear Philipp,

The eMotion 22 has been discontinued for a while and has been replaced by the eMotion 54 LV.
The only way to find such re-furbished or second-hand backs would be through our distributors or on eBay.

Best regards,
Thierry

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thanks Thierry for the clarification. do you know where i can get a refurb e22 in europe?
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dergiman · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2008, 08:12:37 am »

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Dear Philipp,

The eMotion 22 has been discontinued for a while and has been replaced by the eMotion 54 LV.
The only way to find such re-furbished or second-hand backs would be through our distributors or on eBay.

Best regards,
Thierry
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thanks again, therry! unfortunatly sinar dealers are few. other question: i read that the sinar to contax adapter comes with a bunch of cables, does that mean that it is not integrated and needs to be operated via the sync-cable?

thsinar · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2008, 08:30:27 am »

Philipp,

The SB eMotion/Contax 645 Adapterkit (552.36.077) allows the communication camera to back. It comes effectively with a cable which is used when one wishes to use the "Slave" (from computer) and "Master" (from camera) modes without having to switch in the software (it is not the usual sync cable), but when using the camera in master mode only (or slave mode), one does not need it.

Contact Sinar Deutschland in Germany (see contacts below), since it is the Austrian distributor as well: they might have something.

Sinar Deutschland GmbH
Gänseberg 5
22926 Ahrensburg

Phone: (+49) 4102 678 20 0
Fax: (+49) 4102 678 20 20
E-mail: marketing@sinarcameras.de
Website: www.sinarcameras.de

Best regards,
Thierry

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thanks again, therry! unfortunatly sinar dealers are few. other question: i read that the sinar to contax adapter comes with a bunch of cables, does that mean that it is not integrated and needs to be operated via the sync-cable?
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dergiman · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:31:56 pm »

thanks you thierry, i contacted them and got a nice offer, that i have to turn down. i just can´t justify that much money. i need to get better light first. another question: is the solution for the mamiya rzII or rzIID also integrated?

felipe

thsinar · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2008, 10:13:02 pm »

Felipe,

at least you have a contact, and am sure they will inform you, should they have a cheaper option/re-furbished or second-hand.

RZIID: not supported
RZII: supported with sync cable

Best regards,
Thierry

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thanks you thierry, i contacted them and got a nice offer, that i have to turn down. i just can´t justify that much money. i need to get better light first. another question: is the solution for the mamiya rzII or rzIID also integrated?

felipe
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dergiman · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2008, 03:55:37 am »

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Felipe,

at least you have a contact, and am sure they will inform you, should they have a cheaper option/re-furbished or second-hand.

RZIID: yes, integration.

Best regards,
Thierry
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but not the rzII?

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