A suitable digital back for a Mamiya RZ67?

[Grayhand]

Hi!
I have bought a Mamiya RZ 67 Pro 2 system that I plan to use with a Better Light Scaning Back system for lanscape and product photo. But I am also interested to use the Mamiya as a studio camera for situations where I need more IQ than my Canon 1Ds 2 can give me.

Is there a suitable digital back that fits the RZ Pro2 or should I by a RZ Pro 2D body?
Is there maby an older digital back that fits the older Mamiya system?

[clawery]

Grayhand,

You can fit your RZ Pro II or Pro IID with any Phase One digital back.  The Pro II takes one type of adapter plate that also fits Hassey V mount.  The Pro IID takes another type of adapter plate that is fitted with a Mamiya 645 AFD mount.  That means you can float the DB from one system to another if you like.  Here is a link from Phase One's web site to show you the different backs and what they fit.

http://www.phaseone.com/Content/p1digitalb...ty%20chart.aspx

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
chris@captureintegration.com
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer of the Year

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[Grayhand]

Thanks for a quick answer!
And an interesting web page with useful information.

If I understand it right the Phase One detector size is roughly 2.3 times smaller than the 67 format?
That would mean that the RZ67 lenses also would be 2.3 times "longer"?

With the Better Light system it seems to be the opposite, the 67 format is smaller than the active area of the scan back.

Is there no "ordinary" digital backs with large detectors that fit the RZ67 system?

[klane]

Thanks for a quick answer!
And an interesting web page with useful information.

If I understand it right the Phase One detector size is roughly 2.3 times smaller than the 67 format?
That would mean that the RZ67 lenses also would be 2.3 times "longer"?

With the Better Light system it seems to be the opposite, the 67 format is smaller than the active area of the scan back.

Is there no "ordinary" digital backs with large detectors that fit the RZ67 system?
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No and there probably never will be, unless you need wide angles the rz with digital backs that have  
32x43, 33x44, 36x48, 37x49 sized sensors will work fine.  

Sending you a pm too.

[Grayhand]

OK

So I will have tele lenses instead :-)
Will then mamiya´s 50 mm be something like a 50 mm lens in the 35 mm system?

[klane]

OK

So I will have tele lenses instead :-)
Will then mamiya´s 50 mm be something like a 50 mm lens in the 35 mm system?
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with the smaller sensors it will be like a 40mm with the larger more like a 35mm

[Graham Mitchell]

Sinar eMotion backs (and maybe others) will also fit this camera. I'd be surprised if Hasselblad and Leaf didn't also have compatible backs.

[HarperPhotos]

Gidday,

I've been using a Leaf Aptus75 on my Mamiya RZ67 ProII and ProIID cameras plus Mamya 645AFDII and Sinar P2 with fantastic results.

Stats:

Mamiya RZ ProIID
Mamiya 140mm Macro
Leaf Aptus 75
15 Sec, f16.0, 50 ISO


Simon

[pprdigital]

Sinar eMotion backs (and maybe others) will also fit this camera. I'd be surprised if Hasselblad and Leaf didn't also have compatible backs.
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Yes, every back maker on the planet has solutions for Mamiya RZ. The primary difference is that Sinar/Hasselblad provide an RZ adapter directly to the digital back, where Leaf and Phase One provide an RZ adapter that mounts to an existing camera mount (Contax, H1/H2, Hasselblad V series, or Mamiya 645AFD) on the digital back.

Other than the lack of complete lens coverage, the RZ rocks well with any of the above manufacturer's systems. The good news is that you have a lot of options to consider.

Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com/digital.php

[Grayhand]

Thanks for the answers. It seems that there is a lot of possible backs to choose from!

Juts one final question:
In the 35 mm world there have been a lot of discussion about the new multi-megapixel sensors supposedly "outresolving" many of the lenses. Is there any reason to be careful in this regard with the RZ 67 and digital backs?

[RobertJ]

My answer would be No.

Most of the concern in the 35mm world is wide angle performance.  The normal/telephoto end of the spectrum performs quite well.

The RZ67 has 50mm as the widest focal length (except for the fisheye lens), and if you want to go wider, I suggest a view camera with a wide digital lens for best results anyway.

So the performance of the RZ with typical lenses, (50 ULD, 110mm, 140mm macro, 210 APO, etc) will have excellent performance with all digital backs.

[Grayhand]

OK

Thanks for all the help.

Now remains only the wee task of selecting the right back!

Ray

[Grayhand]

After discussion with several suppliers I am considering a factory refurbished Phase One P45.

It will give me mobility inside and outeside the studio and at the same time high resolution so I dont need a scan back for produkt photos.

Do any of you see any flaw in my thinking regarding a P45 on a Mamiya RZ67 Pro2?

Good to know beefor I meet the supplier for a demo of the back  

Ray

[AndreNapier]

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[Snook]

Ray,
Before making the final decision and investing the big K I would arrange for a shootout between P45 and A75 on Rz. I am a long time Rz shooter with digital solution. In my personal opinion Aptus substantially outperforms Phase when installed on Rz67. My experience with the combo goes years back to LightPhase, H20, P25, P45, A75 and finally A75s.
Needles to say I love it.
http://AndreNapier.com
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I have been pretty happy with the P30 RZIIProD set up..
No Problems so far.
Although the batteries get eaten really fast from the Phase to RZ plate that goes on the RZ,In my case as I use the P30 for the 645 and RZ.
Snook

[Frank Doorhof]

When choosing make sure that the crop factor is not too much.
The aptus 22 for example has on the 645 a crop of app 1.1 which is wonderful, on the RZ this increases to I think 1.4 (correct me if I'm wrong).

When you choose a back that already has a crop of 1.4-1.5 you can come into trouble with the focus if you want to use the crop on 3/4 shots.

[Grayhand]

Yes, the "real estate are" is one of my concern, wanting to save as much as posible of the wide angel. Large pixels is also not negtive. This is a reason why I dont select a P30 for my RZ 67.

Andre, what is it that you feel is better with A75 compared to a P45?

Ray

(edit: Horrible English)

[Grayhand]

There, it is done!
One refurbished P45 is ordered for my Mamiya RZ Pro ll.

And why a Phase One back? I know some of you think I should have made another  choice  

But a good price, exellent service by the seller and the fact that I already is working with Capture One Pro was reason beside the technical issues.

Also the fact that representives for other brand did not find the energi to come back to me with, for example, info on prices, made the selection quite easy. I have been running my own company for almost 15 years now and I have learned to read the signs regarding service. If they are not interested when I am standing with cash in my hand to by a product, they are definitely not interested to help me after the deal is done  

But I don´t complain becaus now I will get good support.

But you can´t  some times be other than suprised by different salesperons you meet!

But here the help have only been good  

Ray