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Senor dynamic range vs. human visual response
« on: April 21, 2008, 11:15:52 am »

I'm trying to reconcile in my mind the supposed 10 to 12 stop range of current digital sensors, with my practical observations.  I know if I underexpose a middle tone about 2 or 3 stops it becomes so dark that it approaches black in an image, onscreen or in a print, and differentiating this tone from tones close to it becomes difficult.  Similarly over exposing that same middle tone about 2 or 3 stops places it near to white (as with the under exposure example, this presupposes no tweaking the exposure slider in ACR or Lightroom), differentiating this tone from tones close to it also becomes more difficult.  The upshot is that I always think of an effective range of about 5 stops or so... somewhat better pehaps than the 4 stop range I used to keep in mind when shooting transparency film in years past.  Quite a bit less than articles I read proclaiming a 10 or 12 stop range for the sensor.

I _think_ this comes about atleast partly because of differences between our "gamma-corrected" human neuro-physiological visual system and the linear response of digital sensors.  I know that our human system has a distinct roll-off in the toe and the shoulder, with the result that we don't distinguish tonal differences in very dark or very light tones as well as we do through the mid-range.  So, despite the fact that a digital sensor may be capable of recording detail over a 10 or 12 stop range, and we can at best reproduce tones in a good print over a 7 or 8 stop range (275:1 or so)... depending on the ambient light levels in the viewing area, we just can't see the differences and they merge into either the shadows or highlights.

The effective range for capturing and printing tones is therefore limited more by what we are capable of perceiving, rather than what the technology is capable of recording.  Having said that, even the best of current technology available to photograpehrs is still incapable of recording the full dynamic range of the typical sunlit scene.

Does any of this make any sense?  Jeff?  Andrew?  Anyone??
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 12:34:50 pm »

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Huh?

Not really (based on the words you are using).

But, if you are saying that sensors capture a greater dynamic range than what a print can show (ink on paper), then yes, that would be correct. But I would avoid mixing your metaphors...the old 4 stop method of exposing transparencies for halftone print (the old Sinar method) was just a crutch to give you a technique of using their meter probe.

If you really want to see what an image on screen will look like printed, use soft proofing and set your tone curve accordingly. The fact that a full range capture will exceed the dynamic range of a print is a given.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 02:13:43 pm »

Right... obvious mind cramp on my part (I also have atendency to over analyze).  As soon as I read you reply the penny dropped.

What I was thinking as I read these delarations of a 12 stop sensor dynamic range was, "Heck, if I meter something I want to end up as white, and open up 1 2/3 to 2 stops it will end up white.  Similarly, if I meter something I want to end up as black, and then close down 2 1/2 stops, it will end up as black, more or less.  1 2/3 plus 2 1/2 = about 4 stops".  I can get away with a bit more in digital.

You're right... mixed metaphors.
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