Well, I got my ColorMunki Photo....

[Raw shooter]

The projector profiling was my main reason for buying the ColorMunki, but the results on Day 1 are not promising.  I really tried to go by the directions first, then tried to free lance a little, but the results were not good.  
In short, all the profiles were too light in the shadows.  I set the option for Advanced, which should have given me the chance to calibrate first, but the software acted like it was automatic, maybe DDC or similar.

Second, I profiled a dual monitor LCD under Windows Vista 32.  The ColorMunki software recognized both monitors, as Monitor 1 and Monitor 2.  Good start!
The Advanced Mode setting was chosen again, but the calibration step was missing again - as I am missing the purpose of the Advanced Mode here.  There are no calibration steps at all.  
The final ICC profiles, for the LCD monitors, were similar to my Eye One Display 2 results.  Not better - the Eye One profiles were very good and I have been monthy creating new ones for over a year - since version 3.61.

I will try the print profiles for my non-Epson papers later this week.  Not exactly ready to claim the ColorMunki is a worthy upgrade over the Eye One system.  The projector results have been disappointing, to say the least.  Perhaps if I keep trying, the proper technique will eventually be found.

[digitaldog]

The projector profiling was my main reason for buying the ColorMunki, but the results on Day 1 are not promising.  I really tried to go by the directions first, then tried to free lance a little, but the results were not good. 

Viewing distance (due to the size of the aperture) might be an issue. Can't really say, the beta I had didn't really work with projectors and I can't run the final version thanks to the silliness of how the beta program was run (my beta hardware is now just a small door stop). But I do know, unlike the projector capabilities of the EyeOne Pro Spectrophotometer, you have to be pretty close to the screen or there could be issues.

The final ICC profiles, for the LCD monitors, were similar to my Eye One Display 2 results. Not better

Actually, a colorimeter is often a better instrument for this task, its far more reliable in measuring dark patches. That said, if its as good, that's a good sign.

[Raw shooter]

Viewing distance (due to the size of the aperture) might be an issue. Can't really say, the beta I had didn't really work with projectors and I can't run the final version thanks to the silliness of how the beta program was run (my beta hardware is now just a small door stop). But I do know, unlike the projector capabilities of the EyeOne Pro Spectrophotometer, you have to be pretty close to the screen or there could be issues.
Actually, a colorimeter is often a better instrument for this task, its far more reliable in measuring dark patches. That said, if its as good, that's a good sign.
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Thanks Digital Dog, appreciate the feedback.  Guess the Munki is going back.
BTW, I tried profiling the projector at several distances.  First at 1 1/2 the height of the screen, second at the width of the screen.
I then moved the Munki to about 3 feet from the screen - the worst profile by far. WAY too light on the projector image.  The laptop screen (Clone mode) seemed to glow around the objects on my wallpaper.
Another lost weekend....

[digitaldog]

Thanks Digital Dog, appreciate the feedback.  Guess the Munki is going back.

IF projector profiling is the most important, the EyeOne Pro would probably be better. And every once in awhile, I do come across a projector that's just impossible to profile even with that device.

I wish I had more experience with the Munki and projectors but the software simply didn't work for me.

[jjj]

The Colour Munki went down well here.
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_colormunki_photo.php

[NikoJorj]

The projector profiling was my main reason for buying the ColorMunki, but the results on Day 1 are not promising. 
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Does anybody know if any 3rd-party software plans to support the ColorMunki?
That might solve some of these issues (calibration, shadow appearance, etc...).

[digitaldog]

Does anybody know if any 3rd-party software plans to support the ColorMunki?
That might solve some of these issues (calibration, shadow appearance, etc...).
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At this time, no. And its probably not in the cards unless you're referring to them OEM'ing the device as they currently do with the EyeOne units. That may take time assuming the price is right and other's want to bundle it for say linearizing a RIP, instead of the EyeOne Pro.

[Scott Martin]

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Once the API is out it should be easy for 3rd party applications to add the munki to their list of devices and it should become as commonly supported as the EyeOne. As to when that API will come out I don't know. Future versions of XRite's pro level profiling packages should support the munki as well.

In the meantime you might look to XRite's ColorPort (CP) for munki support in the near future. CP is XRite's universal measurement citizen capable of making and measuring targets for a huge variety of devices and can save the measurements in a variety of formats (PMP, MP, CGATS, text, etc). CP doesn't supprt the munki today but a new version is overdue and I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for the munki release before releasing the next version . CP is a free download from XRite's website at: [a href=\"http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?Action=support&ID=719]http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx...=support&ID=719[/url]

So, to recap, CP doesn't support the muki now but it could be the very next application to do so and would allow a high degree of flexibly in terms of measurement and integration with other (and better) profile making applications. Hope this helps, and we'll see what happens next.

[digitaldog]

In the meantime you might look to XRite's ColorPort (CP) for munki support in the near future. CP is XRite's universal measurement citizen capable of making and measuring targets for a huge variety of devices and can save the measurements in a variety of formats (PMP, MP, CGATS, text, etc).

Its also one of the most bug laden pieces of software I've used in a very long time. A real mess. I had to use it to build a transparency profile with a DTP-41T and couldn't believe what a mess it is. We need X-Rite to toss it and just build a new MeasureTool.

[Scott Martin]

Its also one of the most bug laden pieces of software I've used in a very long time. A real mess.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=189978\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I use it on a daily basis with DTP70s, EyeOnes and Pulse devices and don't have problems with it. CP shares code with ColorBurst's SpectralVision which is totally solid. I wonder if your experience is related to your use of the DTP41T?

[digitaldog]

I use it on a daily basis with DTP70s, EyeOnes and Pulse devices and don't have problems with it. CP shares code with ColorBurst's SpectralVision which is totally solid. I wonder if your experience is related to your use of the DTP41T?
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Some yes indeed. Some just really bad programing. Case in point, you measure the data and hit the close window. Are you asked to save the data? Nope, the window goes away and you've lost it all. I had issues where the software would be fine just measuring all the rows until the last one, then it crapped out (refuse to measure the last row). Or tying to get the data into PROFILER. Or how lame the Target Manager is. This is just really poorly designed software. It can work, but its a frustrating experience.

[eronald]

Some yes indeed. Some just really bad programing. Case in point, you measure the data and hit the close window. Are you asked to save the data? Nope, the window goes away and you've lost it all. I had issues where the software would be fine just measuring all the rows until the last one, then it crapped out (refuse to measure the last row). Or tying to get the data into PROFILER. Or how lame the Target Manager is. This is just really poorly designed software. It can work, but its a frustrating experience.
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I hit some bugs in this thing - but my take is it's the most useful piece of software Xrite ever designed. I hate Measure Tool. Why don't we just pester them to fix it ?

Edmund

[digitaldog]

I hit some bugs in this thing - but my take is it's the most useful piece of software Xrite ever designed. I hate Measure Tool. Why don't we just pester them to fix it ?

Edmund
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Well X-Rite didn't design MeausreTool (they designed the awful ColorPort).

And MeasureTool has functionality not found anywhere else from either company such as Compare. And you don't HAVE to ever use MeasureTool (the measuring functionality is in ProfileMaker Pro).

You can actually use MeasureTool to measure WHILE building profiles in ProfileMaker at the same time, something that those of use who build a good deal of profiles find useful. And MeasureTool can measure just about any target you have a reference file for (unlike ColorPort). It tries, but its a huge failure.

[Scott Martin]

Well X-Rite didn't design MeausreTool (they designed the awful ColorPort).[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=190596\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I'm told a guy named Chris designed ColorPort outside of XRite but they liked it so much they hired him.

And MeasureTool has functionality not found anywhere else from either company such as Compare. [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=190596\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Compare is very cool and is what I keep MT around for. CP also has functionality not found elsewhere. When making profiling targets (not "testcharts" as MT incorrectly states) CP has separate controls for patch height and width and head and footer sizing which is useful when one wants to cram lots of patches onto a single page or when working with unusually sized pages. CP also supports a larger number of spectros and can create targets for iterative profiling which I am personally a big fan of. CP can save measurements in a large variety of formats including PMP, MP, CGATS, etc.
 

And MeasureTool can measure just about any target you have a reference file for (unlike ColorPort). [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=190596\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

CP will not only measure any target it has a reference file for, it can also make new targets for any target you have a reference file for.

As far as measurement goes, CP and MT both require a certain kind of reference file. MT and CP reference files are not cross compatible with each other.  If you have a reference file that is incompatible with CP there are scripts for converting them into a CP compatible format. CP uses XML files and is made to be highly extensible. One can even make their own targets outsize of CP, save the reference as XMP and use CP for measurement (complete with full 16 bit support).  CP was made from a more modern code base to be a universal measurement citizen. It can create, read and measure targets not only for PMP but also MP and any other application. MT is comparatively limited.

As far as target creation goes, you can goto PatchSet>New>Import to import reference data and make a new target layout with those color patches.

So there's lots to love about ColorPort - namely it's universality and greater controls for target creation. It could be better, yes, but there are several unique advantages worth appreciating.

[digitaldog]

I'm told a guy named Chris designed ColorPort outside of XRite but they liked it so much they hired him.

I know Chris, he's a good guy. His coding skills (or maybe just X-Rite Q&E) could use some help.

So there's lots to love about ColorPort

And hate. It needs an awful lot of work. Work I hope we'll see shifted to a newer, pro product that takes the best of both.