Leaf atpus75 vs Sinar emotion75

[dustblue]

Just now the sinar dealer in Beijing told me that sinar software is good at furniture/interior, while phase one is good at portrait rendition. I have used p45 and p30 with c1 and I really cant agree with him about the phase one software. I want to know how do you guys think about that? do you think sinar software is weak at skin tone?

Favalim

With regard to the Brumbaer Workflow, you bring up an often overlooked function........the quality
and color rendition of the digital representation.

Its easy to overlook this "basic" but very critical function, and  get caught up in all the features that are marketed by the different back manufacturers.
The Brumbaer DNG workflow works astonishingly well for an architectural/interior/landscape shooters...........it is interesting to learn that the Brumbaer DNG works for studio shooters that
may demand more color consistency and accuracy than location shooters
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[dustblue]

foto-z:
I'm thinking about the adaptor to 6008, can you put emotion back on it both vertically and horizontally or just horizontally? If you can use it both vertically and horizontally, I think I can just buy a sinar back, which will save a lot money.

besides the AFD lenses are really horrible at prices. the 50afd and 180afd together are almost the price of a p30+! I think I wont buy them unless I want to survive just by one kidney...

[thsinar]

Dear dustblue,

The Sinar software is as reliable as any other for skintones, whatever you have heard or been told: it is all a question of colour profiling and adjustments. The Sinar software allows to make one's own profile for different rendering.

Especially here comes in play the fact that Sinar raw files are not "twicked" with either sharpening or added/mofified contrast in the raw files (see another tread about this subject = http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....c=24433&st=20): this leaves you full latitude and freedom to achieve YOUR needs.

Saying that a sofware is weak at this or that tones is showing no knowledge of what such a software and such raw files are.

Best regards,
Thierry

Just now the sinar dealer in Beijing told me that sinar software is good at furniture/interior, while phase one is good at portrait rendition. I have used p45 and p30 with c1 and I really cant agree with him about the phase one software. I want to know how do you guys think about that? do you think sinar software is weak at skin tone?
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[thsinar]

Dear dustblue,

yes, the 6008/eMotion adapter does allow either vertical or horizontal position.

The nice option with the Sinar Hy6 is that you can use more than 40 "older" Rolleiflex 600x lenses, either second-hand at attractive prices or then new for those still in production: you don't need to buy the new AFD lenses produced for this camera.

Best regards,
Thierry

foto-z:
I'm thinking about the adaptor to 6008, can you put emotion back on it both vertically and horizontally or just horizontally? If you can use it both vertically and horizontally, I think I can just buy a sinar back, which will save a lot money.

besides the AFD lenses are really horrible at prices. the 50afd and 180afd together are almost the price of a p30+! I think I wont buy them unless I want to survive just by one kidney...
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[dustblue]

Thanks for your information!

I will try Afi of course. the dealer in Guangzhou will contack me when an available model come to beijing.

Dustblue welcome on board!

My advice to anyone wishing to buy a new digital solution and who's trying to decide between two options, Is to try and compare them side by side, if possible in your own environment/ studio and   according to your typical type of work.

Specifically for the Leaf AFi along with Leaf Capture 11 the pluses to take note of are very fast capture rate (faster than any comparable camera+back system, both into CF cards and into a computer) and also the fact that the previews come up very quickly on your monitor when shooting tethered to any size screen (including working on 2 screens at the same time). There are other features that are relevant to fashion work that you will be able to appreciate during the test, I am sure, such as the Loupe tool for quick focus check on thumbnails and an effective Moire removal tool.

Hope this helps

Yair
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[patrickfransdesmet]

Just now the sinar dealer in Beijing told me that sinar software is good at furniture/interior, while phase one is good at portrait rendition. I have used p45 and p30 with c1 and I really cant agree with him about the phase one software. I want to know how do you guys think about that? do you think sinar software is weak at skin tone?
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On the contrary !
I would like to tell you, that my experience with Phase One P20 and C1 sofware, results in very good product colors, but no correct skin tones, with whatever profile used! Skin colors with a personalised profile where OK, to some extend, but then the color of lips where off, often magenta ...
On the contrary, one day working with an emotion75 was the solution.
Standard out of the box ALL colours where perfect, skin tones, products, ALL of them!
I used Brumbear to convert to DNG then ACR to PS CS3.
Incredible depth in the files too, in comparison to Phase One!

Result, I will sell my P20 and buy emotion75LV very soon !!!

[eronald]

At this point, all the hardware from the different manufacturers seems to be fairly equivalent, but the software can be very different. You should shoot the backs and see how easy/hard it is to get the skin tone you want for your culture out of the combination.

If the Sinar/Jenoptik backs can use DNG, then you should be able to go via ACR and Lightroom as well, which might allow you a familiar workflow.

Edmund

Dear dustblue,

The Sinar software is as reliable as any other for skintones, whatever you have heard or been told: it is all a question of colour profiling and adjustments. The Sinar software allows to make one's own profile for different rendering.

Especially here comes in play the fact that Sinar raw files are not "twicked" with either sharpening or added/mofified contrast in the raw files (see another tread about this subject = http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....c=24433&st=20): this leaves you full latitude and freedom to achieve YOUR needs.

Saying that a sofware is weak at this or that tones is showing no knowledge of what such a software and such raw files are.

Best regards,
Thierry
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[dustblue]

Hi Thierry:

Thanks for your reply and I really know what your are talking about. Any way accurate color could not be got just depend on profile. This is a subtle question.

Dear dustblue,

The Sinar software is as reliable as any other for skintones, whatever you have heard or been told: it is all a question of colour profiling and adjustments. The Sinar software allows to make one's own profile for different rendering.

Especially here comes in play the fact that Sinar raw files are not "twicked" with either sharpening or added/mofified contrast in the raw files (see another tread about this subject = http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....c=24433&st=20): this leaves you full latitude and freedom to achieve YOUR needs.

Saying that a sofware is weak at this or that tones is showing no knowledge of what such a software and such raw files are.

Best regards,
Thierry
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[thsinar]

Yes, certainly not or may be not with the "default" profiles provided: you need to create your own profile (e.g. with Gretag's Profile Maker SW, etc ...,  or by contacting Edmund!). Profiles can be edited and twicked until you get what you want.

best regards,
Thierry

Hi Thierry:

Any way accurate color could not be got just depend on profile. This is a subtle question.
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[dustblue]

We got exactly the same opinion about c1  

On the contrary !
I would like to tell you, that my experience with Phase One P20 and C1 sofware, results in very good product colors, but no correct skin tones, with whatever profile used! Skin colors with a personalised profile where OK, to some extend, but then the color of lips where off, often magenta ...
On the contrary, one day working with an emotion75 was the solution.
Standard out of the box ALL colours where perfect, skin tones, products, ALL of them!
I used Brumbear to convert to DNG then ACR to PS CS3.
Incredible depth in the files too, in comparison to Phase One!

Result, I will sell my P20 and buy emotion75LV very soon !!!
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[thsinar]

I does not even take one month: Sinar Hy6 cameras and eMotion 75 backs are in stock. What might take a bit longer may be some of the new AFD lenses, but basically the 50mm, the 80mm and the 180mm are in stock as well.

Once order placed, we are able to ship out within a few days. The dealer might have added some extra time to be on the safe side.

Best regards,
Thierry

I suggest you buy Sinar Hy6 75LV, though I have order a Leaf AFi7.

Sinar Hy6 75LV is cheaper and, the most important, Sinar dealer say they can deliver it to you within one month! I have been waiting for my AFi7 for 6 weeks! That is the case.
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[dustblue]

yep it's cheaper,
hy6 vs afi7 = 250k rmb vs 290k rmb
haha
 

I suggest you buy Sinar Hy6 75LV, though I have order a Leaf AFi7.

Sinar Hy6 75LV is cheaper and, the most important, Sinar dealer say they can deliver it to you within one month! I have been waiting for my AFi7 for 6 weeks! That is the case.
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