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« on: April 05, 2008, 10:08:46 am »

Dear reader,

For some time I am trying to find a:
* battery flash generator
* as well for on location as for indoor studio use
* with three sockets, with fully asymetric light distribution
* at least 1200 Ws

No brand can't cope with this questin I noticed. With Profoto, I can only use 2 lamps and I cannot fully regulate the power of both lamps. Only half. Even Elinchrom or Hensel doesn't seem to have an answer. Is the Broncolor's Verso my only option?

Who knows more?

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2008, 11:10:17 am »

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Dear reader,

For some time I am trying to find a:
* battery flash generator
* as well for on location as for indoor studio use
* with three sockets, with fully asymetric light distribution
* at least 1200 Ws

No brand can't cope with this questin I noticed. With Profoto, I can only use 2 lamps and I cannot fully regulate the power of both lamps. Only half. Even Elinchrom or Hensel doesn't seem to have an answer. Is the Broncolor's Verso my only option?

Who knows more?

Thanks!
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it's probably smarter to get a pack per head
I have 2 acute B packs which are 600w each, and I can set the power for each head individually. no need to do mental calculations regarding distribution of power.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2008, 11:15:42 am »

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it's probably smarter to get a pack per head
I have 2 acute B packs which are 600w each, and I can set the power for each head individually. no need to do mental calculations regarding distribution of power.
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Infinite posibilties

[a href=\"http://www.speedotron.com/BlkPack.htm]http://www.speedotron.com/BlkPack.htm[/url]

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2008, 01:01:18 pm »

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it's probably smarter to get a pack per head
I have 2 acute B packs which are 600w each, and I can set the power for each head individually. no need to do mental calculations regarding distribution of power.
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Thanks for your respond!

Yes, I know that. But then I would need three of those. And I only can use 600 Ws. Isn't that too few in very sunny locations? Or am I too anxious to loose only one stop of light? (1200 --> 600)

But, you have good experience with the Acute 600 packs? Never too few light?

Sincerely,

Rogier
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2008, 01:08:22 pm »

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Infinite posibilties

http://www.speedotron.com/BlkPack.htm

JR
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I don't think this brand is to be sold in Europe (the Netherlands)? I cannot find a dealer on the internet  that quick.

But, thanks for your reply..!

Great pictures on your site, by the way!

Greetings,

Rogier
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 04:38:08 pm »

What about the Elinchrom Ranger AS?  Two heads per pack, advertised as assym on the AS units, but only 1000WS I think...  Might be close enough-?
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 06:41:02 pm »

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Dear reader,

For some time I am trying to find a:
* battery flash generator
* as well for on location as for indoor studio use
* with three sockets, with fully asymetric light distribution
* at least 1200 Ws

No brand can't cope with this questin I noticed. With Profoto, I can only use 2 lamps and I cannot fully regulate the power of both lamps. Only half. Even Elinchrom or Hensel doesn't seem to have an answer. Is the Broncolor's Verso my only option?

Who knows more?

Thanks!
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Hi!

There are two asymetric battery packs on the market worth mentioning

[a href=\"http://www.bowens.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=299]http://www.bowens.co.uk/catalog/product_in...products_id=299[/url]

http://www.bron.ch/_data/bc_do_ds_versoa4_en.pdf

You will probably get 2 ranger sets for the price of 1 verso or maybe 3.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2008, 06:42:07 pm by geronimo13 »
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 07:32:16 pm »

Highly doubtful what you're seeking exists.  Few studio power packs offer full control over just two channels without limitation (such as Balcar's Nexus A), so I don't expect it from a battery-powered pack.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 11:44:34 am »

Then there are Lumedyne.  I bought a bunch second hand and really like them, though they have drawbacks in what kinds of light modifiers fit on the very small heads. So I've decided to use Profoto 7b where I need more power and full light modification.

One pack per head really seems the way to go.  I do this with my Lumedynes.

I have it on very good authority that if you want fill light, via a softbox in bright sunlight then the 600 from the Acute B's is not quite enough... you need 800-1200w/s.

People have said nice things about the Elinchrom Rangers.

It seems that ex-rental Profoto 7b's can be obtained fairly easily for about $2500 including pack, head and battery. Battery replacements are around $100.  This seems very good value. At this level I decided I would buy a couple and retire half my Bowens monoblocs.

Only problem with the 7b's is that these are really heavy.

The lumedynes are incredibly light and convenient. I've now got three packs and four heads, a booster, four batteries, a lightware case, three chargers, some radio triggers and paid $2000 all in on Ebay. Thats a lot of toys for the money.

The main problem with them is that you can't fit a decent size (1m square) softbox on them. I think the answer could be brolly boxes like the Photek Softlighter, or Lastolites Umbrella box. I believe these have more spill than softboxes, but they have the octa profile, so that could be an advantage. I'm getting one to try next week. For sheer speed of set up and lightness I think these would be pretty hard to beat.

Lumedyne makes booster packs which can up the output of the lights to 2400 w/s, (at the expense of recycle time). Though I'm tending to use them around 100w/s power and havent seen a need for this. Often I'm setting them at 50 w/s and ND' down 1-2 stops for what I'm using them for.

With 400 w/s I get about a 3sec recycle. For something I can carry in a rucksack, with a stand, a brolly and the camera and a lastolite reflector... quite handy with a better, more even, light than using speedlites.

Many ways to depilate the feline as they say...

I also wonder if its not possible to rig a mount which attaches to a softbox speedring allowing the softbox to be mounted on a stand without the light. Then you could place a lumedyne head in this, not bearing the weight of the softbox.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 12:10:51 pm »

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My choice would be the verso with your demands. If you worry about three acute 600b's only delivering 600 watts, then two placed next to each other equals 1200 for those bright days. But it does pose problems with dual stands, modifiers, etc. Not ideal.

I'd go for verso... expensive but superb kit.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 12:18:03 pm »

Sorry, but neither Broncolor's Grafit or Verso gives FULL control over three channels.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 03:21:09 pm »

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If you worry about three acute 600b's only delivering 600 watts, then two placed next to each other equals 1200 for those bright days. But it does pose problems with dual stands, modifiers, etc. Not ideal.

Actually, if you use a bi-tube head with two Acute 600b's you only need one stand, modifier, etc.

I would find one of the possible drawbacks of using 2 Acute 600b's vs. a single 1200w/s B2 @1200w/s to be recycle time and/or flash duration.

-Anthony
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 05:40:24 pm »

one could try i.e. running an elinchrom micro AS / digital AS 3000 from two (or more) innovatronix XT converter/battery packs in parallel - on slow recycle (6 amps) - perhaps even med. absolutely independent channel adjustment and plenty of power.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 11:08:23 am »

as someone mentioned above, you should look into bowens explorer paks...has 2 ports that are true asymmetric...you aren't going to find a pack w/ 3 completely asymmetric that is battery powered.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 02:45:24 pm »

the only way to have 3 asymetric ports on battery power with the power you are looking for is more then one pack....the hensel portys are truly asymetric (not the older ones! the newer ones are)....and have 1500ws....the batteries last a lot longer then any other brand, they come with built in remote control triggers (power, modellight, and trigger) and they have a bi-tube head which gives you 2400ws on battery....
haven't tried the versos, they do have a stronger modellight, but the price is a little....let's just say you can buy 3 packs with 9 batteries, 6 heads, softboxes, umbrellas, bags, all remote controlled for the price of one verso plus one head....
i used to have the broncolor battery powered pack and the hensel is just much better with more options...the verso is a different story, but so is the price....
hensel also makes the visit mpg now...a battery pack which can handle up to 1500ws on 2 ac/dc plugs...combined with 2 monoheads it is a great package for location....can also be hooked up to a carbattery and such...works with any regular studio kit....only drawback:it only takes the older style porty batteries which only last half as long as the new ones...good for about 150 pops full power....but they are very cheap so it is easy to have a few...still i don't know why they did not use the newer, larger ones...
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 08:16:51 pm »

Just noticed a VersoA2 on eBay in case anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Broncolor-Verso-A2-Pow...1QQcmdZViewItem
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 10:44:41 am »

I think I'd go for the Profoto Acute B600. Together with one Pro 7B I can do anything on location, without having to make any concession. I can choose for which job to take the Acute B600 or the Pro 7B or even take 'm both when I really need the third flash on location.

The Brand Profoto gives me the most thourough quality needed. Okay, I must say not the most cheap choice... That is why I cannot buy it all at once.

But, I have to say I really thank you for all your reactions. With all your reactions as a help, I think I made a fine decision.

Cheers,

Rogier Veldman
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