3800 is not good for b&w!

[PetterStahre]

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Well over the last weeks i've tried (altough not a lot of time for testing), the abw setting more.
Tried the quad tone rip proflies, epson EEM paper, epson luster paper, hanemule paper, etc.
But i couldnt get a print that was in my opinion neutral black and white (my goal), always the prints have a green cast in them.
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Funny, I might have had the same experience a week ago when I did some B&W testing on my 3800. I used Epsons Advanced B&W setting and compared it to a custom made profile I made (using Gretags EyeOne Photo-package), both printed on Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper.

At the time I thought my custom made profile was slightly more neutral, as the Epson B&W print looked slightly (but not much) greenish. After reading this thread I now looked at the two prints again in three types of light. Here is what I think:

In natural light (standing by the window, indirect light): Slight green cast in the B&W print, the custom made print looking neutral.
In energy-saving compact fluorescent lamp (Philips Master PLT): Same effect as natural light.
In halogen light: None of the prints are perfect, the B&W looks just a little yellow and the custom made print looks slightly red/magenta. (!)

To my eye these are very subtle differences, but they can shurely be seen.

Regards,
Petter

[oeleke]

Hi petter,

Well at least i'm happy i'm not crazy here, or colorblind.
But why all the people tell then that its so easy to get neutral prints?
So all the people who get these neutral prints, please tell me the steps to get there.

Thanks,

Raoul.

[oeleke]

just saw imageprint again online, will try there demo, but to pay 800 for a software...
but if i only get neutral prints......

raoul

[madmanchan]

I've been using the ABW driver and believe my prints are pretty neutral.

Without using profiles, this is the workflow I recommend:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Ep...w_no_gray_curve

Which papers are you using?

[wtlloyd]

Please forgive me for asking the very obvious, but have you done a nozzle check? I ask only because you didn't state you were sure that wasn't it....

[oeleke]

hi wtlloyd, yes i tried this.
I talked to some people and they all tell me that is a good idea to take the same file that i printed on my 3800, to printed out on another 3800.(i'm to stupid to think off this my self).
Keep you posted.

For imageprint i downloaded there trial version (only EEM and luster profiles in the demo), and must say altough the word DEMO is so big on the print that you almost can's see your picture anymore under the letters, that even the first print without EVER used the software look very very promising, its the best b&w i ever got out a printer in 5 minutes time (well after installing the software for 20 or so minutes).
But it comes at a price round $800 for the 3800.
I would not mind to buy it if it gives me so good results, but i have to miss lightroom for this and i love to work from there.

so its going the right way, but black and white is still not black and white, to my eyes ofcourse...

regards,

raoul.

[Jonathan Wienke]

So all the people who get these neutral prints, please tell me the steps to get there.

A good first step is to have a custom profile made for your printer.

[oeleke]

Yes you are right!
But if i use lets say 4 a 5 papers, and let these papers profile.
Maybe imageprint with there paper archive and profliles is cheaper (well?)
Still i'm wondering why other people get so nice b&w results the first time on there 3800.

Somebody out here uses imageprint 7 on there 3800?


Raoul

[Jonathan Wienke]

Yes you are right!
But if i use lets say 4 a 5 papers, and let these papers profile.
Maybe imageprint with there paper archive and profliles is cheaper (well?)

No. The most expensive profiles are maybe $50 each, and ImagePrint is at least $800, depending on printer model. Custom profiles are way cheaper.

[duraace]

Yes you are right!
But if i use lets say 4 a 5 papers, and let these papers profile.
Maybe imageprint with there paper archive and profliles is cheaper (well?)
Still i'm wondering why other people get so nice b&w results the first time on there 3800.

Somebody out here uses imageprint 7 on there 3800?
Raoul
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The key to getting perfect B&W on the 3800 is to use ABW, on a grayscale image, in the driver along with an .icc application managed profile from:
[a href=\"http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html]http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html[/url]

I just printed the following photo and it has absolutely no hint of any tint.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24676731@N08/...in/photostream/