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NicholasR

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« on: March 20, 2008, 02:33:23 pm »

Anybody have experience with reasonably priced spray guns?   My volume has moved past what I can reasonably handle with a roller. This would primarily be for coatings on canvas prints.

Also, what are the additional costs?  Obviously a compressor, which I don't have yet.  Is it possible to work without a spray booth or is that too much hassle?

Thanks for any thoughts.  I'd more interested in something on the inexpensive side of the spectrum, though I imagine it's like everything else in the world, the expensive ones are worth it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 02:53:01 pm »

Porter-Cable makes reasonably priced compressors and HVLP spray guns. Both will cost $4-500 with all the hoses, filters etc. Getting used to industrial spray painting/coating is another thing, best to follow someone around who knows what they are doing.

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 04:19:01 pm »

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Porter-Cable makes reasonably priced compressors and HVLP spray guns. Both will cost $4-500 with all the hoses, filters etc. Getting used to industrial spray painting/coating is another thing, best to follow someone around who knows what they are doing.

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Yeah, another thing to worry about.  Another round of f'ing things up and wasting material and time.  Plenty of that in the last year.

I'm very happy with the quality of the coat I can lie down with a foam roller.  Is a quality job done with a spray gun going to look any better than a well done roll job?  Maybe I should just hold off and stay with my current workflow.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 03:29:34 am »

There are many threads here on this topic.

In my personal experience, the dirt-cheap Wagner "Control Spray" has exceeded my wildest expectations for quality and reliability.   It's the one with the turbine built right into the handle, about $70 at Home D. etc.  It sprays undiluted Clearshield Canvas Type C Gloss like a champ.  Just keep the volume cranked way back and figure on 2 or 3 coats total with some drying time in between.  Practice on some thick cardboard until you get a feel for the right, sparing volume.  Cleaning is important, and make sure you don't get any dirt or dried-up paint skin particles in the soup.

Beats the heck out of rolling!  Don't know how many canvases I destroyed with rolling, but I'm getting close to 100% successes with the Wagner.

After just a few canvases you'll be able to repeatably get a finish pretty much anywhere you want between satin and gloss.  If you aren't slopping on too much at once, 2 coats gives a nice satin, 3 starts to become glossy.  Each coat should be one thin pass in direction, followed immediately by another pass at 90 degrees.  That takes me about 90 seconds on a 2 x 5 foot canvas.  Don't release the trigger between swipes, and do the turn-around spraying into space, not on the canvas.  Initially give the gun a few seconds to start picking up paint.  I have also used a very expensive HVLP gun with an external turbine, I prefer the Wagner because it's less hassle on cleanup and because the whole darned thing stores compactly on a shelf.  Got about 30 large canvases finished this way, the Wag is still going strong.  Gotta love it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 10:10:18 am »

Quote from: bill t.,Mar 22 2008, 02:29 AM
There are many threads here on this topic.

In my personal experience, the dirt-cheap Wagner "Control Spray" has exceeded my wildest expectations for quality and reliability.  


I've followed this discussion with great interest, because I've had the usual aggravations with rolling (with Clearstar, GlamourII and  EcoShield).  I'd resisted HVLP because of the expense of most systems, but after the recommendations of the inexpensive Wagner in this thread, I decided to give it a try.  It works as easily and well as Bill T. says, and I recommend it to anyone who wants to coat canvas.   While it is possible to do a good job with rolling, it's a lot more nerve-wracking and slower than spraying, and spraying seems to use significantly less product as well.   Thanks Bill for this great tip!

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 01:36:01 pm »

I use home depot gravity feed gun with a compressor. The first testing I did was with plain water and a piece of cardboard.  Then I tested with the coating material. The gravity fed gun I have has a filter basket built in which stops clumps. I just clean it out after use. Running an ammonia solution through the gun once in a while dissolves deposits.  Just be sure to VERY thoroughly flush the gun out after that.  Ammonia dissolves the water based coatings on contact.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2008, 09:38:03 pm »

http://www.phelpsrefinishing.com/fuji.html

This spay gun comes with everything you need & is very high quality. It is used be a few members of this board including Bill Atkinson.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 02:04:43 am »

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http://www.phelpsrefinishing.com/fuji.html

This spay gun comes with everything you need & is very high quality. It is used be a few members of this board including Bill Atkinson.
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Most anything Graco makes is very nice, not cheap though.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 08:47:08 am »

Wow.  Great thread and thanks for the thumbs up on the Wagner.  I have been contemplating this for a while.   Is there any tip size adjustment with the Wagner? If not, do you know what the supplied tip size is?
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 07:38:07 pm »

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Is there any tip size adjustment with the Wagner? If not, do you know what the supplied tip size is?
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As best I can measure the orifice is about 2mm diameter.  I don't think other tips are available.  The best volume adjustment for canvas spraying is down towards the minimum possible adjustment.

Don't think of the Wagner as a sophisticated device or some kind of giant killer.  It merely does a more than adequate job of spraying canvas coatings.  I'm sure a professional painter would find it wanting for most other applications.  It works good enough that I don't feel the need for anything better, and I'd rather not deal with the hoses and couplings on the better units.

The thing that struck me immediately with the Wagner was how much less time it took to set up and then clean compared to the more pro units.  If I had a permanent paint booth where I could have the sprayer set up all the time, things might be different.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 07:20:31 pm »

Just another big "thumbs up" for the Wagner gun.  Been using it for a few months now, and couldn't be happier.

Here is the model that I "think" most of us Wagner guys use: Wagner HVLP Gun

I use PrintShield's Eco Spray (satin) on Premier Art's smooth matte canvas, and spray three light coats (applying each at 90degrees to the previous) and have really had great success.

I think the two "keys" to this low-cost solution are keeping the nozzle completely clean (wiped down in between applications to keep any residue from drying and restricting flow), and I also strain the coating through a mesh strainer as I pour it into the gun receptacle to keep out any clumpy bits...

 
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 08:33:55 pm »

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Just another big "thumbs up" for the Wagner gun.  Been using it for a few months now, and couldn't be happier.

Here is the model that I "think" most of us Wagner guys use: Wagner HVLP Gun

I use PrintShield's Eco Spray (satin) on Premier Art's smooth matte canvas, and spray three light coats (applying each at 90degrees to the previous) and have really had great success.

I think the two "keys" to this low-cost solution are keeping the nozzle completely clean (wiped down in between applications to keep any residue from drying and restricting flow), and I also strain the coating through a mesh strainer as I pour it into the gun receptacle to keep out any clumpy bits...

 
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Folow this to REAL HVLP units these are Wagners Pro units.
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The CS5100 should get you into something with QUALITY in mind.Other Than FUJI, CAPSPRAY and GRACO the rest are GARBAGE! I took my first WAGNER and through it into the wall with GREAT force !
P.S. I was a pro painter for 20 years.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2008, 07:51:54 am »

I'm using a $50 HVLP conversion gun (from the local Chinese tool merchant) attached to a standard shop air compressor.  With the pressure regulator at the base of the gun and both fan and needle controls I find I can do everything I need from touch-ups to very heavy coats.  I generally spray 5 light then medium coats all in one session (if I've got more than 10-20sqft to do at once; the coating dries very fast).  The gun cleans up quickly.  If you already have a shop compressor, this is the cheapest solution I know.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2008, 09:42:22 pm »

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Folow this to REAL HVLP units these are Wagners Pro units.
http://www.spraytechsys.com/wagner/hvlp_wag.html

The CS5100 should get you into something with QUALITY in mind.Other Than FUJI, CAPSPRAY and GRACO the rest are GARBAGE! I took my first WAGNER and through it into the wall with GREAT force !
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LOL, no one's claiming the cheap-o Wagner gun matches a pro HVLP unit.  I mean, come on, it's like going round-and-round 'bout a point and shoot vs. a DSLR.  All I'm/we're saying is that this gun works pretty damn well for our applications and for a minimal investment in equipment and knowledge.  

I'm not a painter, I'm a photographer.  I'll save my $$ for printers, lenses, and cameras and be perfectly content with a cheapo spray gun.  I don't think my clients will ever know the difference  
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2008, 10:20:14 pm »

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LOL, no one's claiming the cheap-o Wagner gun matches a pro HVLP unit.  I mean, come on, it's like going round-and-round 'bout a point and shoot vs. a DSLR.  All I'm/we're saying is that this gun works pretty damn well for our applications and for a minimal investment in equipment and knowledge. 

I'm not a painter, I'm a photographer.  I'll save my $$ for printers, lenses, and cameras and be perfectly content with a cheapo spray gun.  I don't think my clients will ever know the difference 
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Depends on how you define "QUALITY". From the bottom up.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2008, 11:33:50 pm »

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Depends on how you define "QUALITY". From the bottom up.
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"my clients will ever know the difference "
READ THIS CAREFULLY. I WILL!
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 08:23:19 am »

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"my clients will ever know the difference "
READ THIS CAREFULLY. I WILL!
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Damn! So I take it you won't be buying any of my work then?    

If you can tell the difference between multiple coats of protectant applied between a professional sprayer and a consumer one, then you are one amazing dude!
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 07:58:54 pm »

I use a $90.00 HPLV Wagner sprayer unit that has its on power and does not require a commercial compressor. I've been doing 44x60 inkjet canvas coatings and they are flawless. I use three light coats, about 5 minutes apart, using the Breathing Color and Lumina acrylic varnishes. After this I can't believe I ever rolled this stuff on. It has been so easy. Of course a commercial compressor would be nice if you are doing this all day and would save some time but I don't do it that much.

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I'm using a $50 HVLP conversion gun (from the local Chinese tool merchant) attached to a standard shop air compressor.  With the pressure regulator at the base of the gun and both fan and needle controls I find I can do everything I need from touch-ups to very heavy coats.  I generally spray 5 light then medium coats all in one session (if I've got more than 10-20sqft to do at once; the coating dries very fast).  The gun cleans up quickly.  If you already have a shop compressor, this is the cheapest solution I know.
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