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« on: March 17, 2008, 05:27:12 am »

A quick FYI, since I know not many people have had one to test:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews...colormunki.html

It's a new all-in-one printer/projector/monitor profiling solution from X-Rite (designed in Switzerland, so read GMB for that one ;-)

I've written the initial review (based on pre-release software) and hope to have more details as soon as the software is finalised.

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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 07:38:51 am »

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A quick FYI, since I know not many people have had one to test:

I have for some time and one thing that blew me away was the quality of the printer profiles based on only 100 patches. Scary good! Its also very easy to use in terms of moving the unit over the patches (which are huge). Hard not to get a good reading unlike the initial experiences with the EyeOne Pro and the slide rule goodie. New color engine improved. The light source is based on the isis (K3).
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 08:16:10 am »

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I have for some time and one thing that blew me away was the quality of the printer profiles based on only 100 patches. Scary good! Its also very easy to use in terms of moving the unit over the patches (which are huge). Hard not to get a good reading unlike the initial experiences with the EyeOne Pro and the slide rule goodie. New color engine improved. The light source is based on the isis (K3).
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I was expecting this device to be a bit of a toy, but you seem impressed with it. Is it comparable to the eye one photo in creating printer profiles? It seems a more portable option. I couldn't see any reviews online, are you planning one?

I have to confess to not reading the original post completely having reached the page through a search...oops
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 10:05:37 am »

Hi

The software has not been finalised yet, so I thought it best to leave a more detailed review until I could comment on actual performance that purchasers would see.

I have an HP K80 all-in-one fax/scanner/printer with 3rd party cheapo inks in it (it's the office printer) I tried a profile using canon glossy photo paper, with the printer driven from my Mac, using the open source HPIJS drivers.

The basic profile is very good (for that printer) with 100 patches and would probably meet the needs of many of the target market.  I'm waiting for a later version of the software before trying the 'tuning' option much (using additional sets of patches)

Do remember that this product is aimed at the social/wedding/event photography market (Oh, and that group known as 'prosumers' too ;-) where ease of use was a primary design driver.

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 10:22:09 am »

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Hi

The software has not been finalised yet, so I thought it best to leave a more detailed review until I could comment on actual performance that purchasers would see.

I have an HP K80 all-in-one fax/scanner/printer with 3rd party cheapo inks in it (it's the office printer) I tried a profile using canon glossy photo paper, with the printer driven from my Mac, using the open source HPIJS drivers.

The basic profile is very good (for that printer) with 100 patches and would probably meet the needs of many of the target market.  I'm waiting for a later version of the software before trying the 'tuning' option much (using additional sets of patches)

Do remember that this product is aimed at the social/wedding/event photography market (Oh, and that group known as 'prosumers' too ;-) where ease of use was a primary design driver.

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Hi Keith

what are your impressions on how this compares to the ColourConfidence profiler. Particularly in terms of the quality of profiles. I'm having problems with 16 bit profiles from the CC product that they are aiming to issue a fix for, but no joy yet.

Also, is the device a spectrophotometer like the eye one?

Thanks

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 11:02:41 am »

Did Datacolor miss the boat by not snapping up the name SpyderMunki?  
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 11:44:11 am »

> what are your impressions on how this compares to the ColourConfidence profiler.
> Particularly in terms of the quality of profiles. I'm having problems with 16 bit profiles
> from the CC product that they are aiming to issue a fix for, but no joy yet.

I found the old version of the CC profiler rather hastily put together (I've got a couple of reviews on the Northlight site)

It's certainly not the latest in profile generation software and I've not used it for serious work (just a few tests) I've unfortunately not seen any more detailed coverage of its performance.

> Also, is the device a spectrophotometer like the eye one?

yes, although it's UV cut and based on the measuring unit found in the iSis

I'm waiting for the full software before commenting on what it can and can't do, but I wouldn't expect to see the actual ColorMunki software export measurement info that you could use elsewhere. That said, it -may- be supported by the X-Rite ColorPort software.

It certainly is easy to use to make measurements of strips.

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 12:07:40 pm »

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I found the old version of the CC profiler rather hastily put together (I've got a couple of reviews on the Northlight site)

It's certainly not the latest in profile generation software and I've not used it for serious work (just a few tests) I've unfortunately not seen any more detailed coverage of its performance.

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It certainly is easy to use to make measurements of strips.

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Thanks Keith, I think the update improved useability of the CC profiler, but my issues have been with banding in brighter areas with the high bit profiles. I am loath to spend on upgrading to profile maker pro, though unless the CC product  really can't be made to work.

In terms of other profiles the rel col renderings are fine and the perceptual not always as good as some of the higher end solutions.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 02:45:51 pm »

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I have for some time and one thing that blew me away was the quality of the printer profiles based on only 100 patches.
100 patches isn't a lot so the key question is how good are the profiles compared to the "big boys".   Since you have both...care to elaborate?  
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 03:35:57 pm »

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Is it comparable to the eye one photo in creating printer profiles?
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Yup, at least with the software I've used (beta).
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 03:37:48 pm »

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100 patches isn't a lot so the key question is how good are the profiles compared to the "big boys".   Since you have both...care to elaborate? 
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To a R1900 with gloss, 3800 and 4800, about as good as you'd see using 1700 odd patches in ProfileMaker Pro. The color engine appears to be new(er) so I'm seeing good things from the data using whatever software is now building EyeOne Match like profiles (in terms of settings).
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 05:15:53 pm »

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100 patches isn't a lot...

In the late 1990s we had a rip (Cactus) that we'd profile with *six* patches!
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 07:22:44 pm »

Posted this in the other thread.  Should have put it here.

Nice video overview of the product.

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Colour%20Manageme...unki/munki.html
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2008, 05:38:49 am »

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To a R1900 with gloss, 3800 and 4800, about as good as you'd see using 1700 odd patches in ProfileMaker Pro. The color engine appears to be new(er) so I'm seeing good things from the data using whatever software is now building EyeOne Match like profiles (in terms of settings).
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Andrew,
Since you've been testing ColorMunki, how does it compare tp Eye-One Display 1 or 2 for display calibration?
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2008, 09:27:10 am »

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Since you've been testing ColorMunki, how does it compare tp Eye-One Display 1 or 2 for display calibration?
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Seems about the same more or less. Its difficult to say for sure as this software and the software driving the EyeOne are not the same.
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2008, 09:36:26 am »

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Seems about the same more or less. Its difficult to say for sure as this software and the software driving the EyeOne are not the same.
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Thanks for the answer.
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