Topic: Brumbaer Tools last update (Read 13693 times)

brumbaer · « **on:** March 11, 2008, 01:30:05 pm »

Hello all,
I put an update to eMotionDng on the Brumbaer Tools Site.

The update solves compatibility issues with ref files that are downloaded from the back on an Intel Mac.

As we all have been told, the release of Xposure is near and Xposure will free us from our woes, bring us closer to heaven and will not only save our souls, but will also save raw files in DNG.

So this is the right time to announce that I will stop supporting the Brumbaer Tools in the last quarter of the year.

This gives all of you, who use the Tools, enough time to get accustomed with a new, Xposure based, workflow and nag Sinar enough to provide you with the features you need most.

Kind regards
SH

rainer_v · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2008, 02:09:04 pm »

its a great pity for sinar that your work on the tools will not go on.

i am very thankful about your great, friendly and patient way to work together with me in the last 2 years, optimizing your tools from a pure dng konverter ( for the emotion22 2 years ago ) to the most advanced workflow for architecure shooters, and quality- wise the best and fastest dng converter i know in this market.

as many know here in LL: on this way working on your tools you found also the algorythm to eliminate the centerfold issue "on the fly", and a very effective highlight recovery.
for me this always was incredible, esp. because many programmers in the "big" companies tried the same, without proceeding to similar results than you did alone.

as you already know it makes me very sad that there will be no more improvement
about these great tools, but i can understand your decision.

p.s.
i will freeze one macbook pro ( with leopard ) together with an e75lv ( with iso50 firmware .... ) at the state it is now.

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2008, 02:19:04 pm »

Stefan, we know that Exposure will save files in DNG but what will be the file format of the files stored in the camera? Also DNG?

I understand that you were involved with Exposure, is this correct?

Thanks for all your work to date!

BJNY · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2008, 02:27:18 pm »

Has the Brumbaer technology been integrated into eXposure?

Sinar, please give 50 iso setting back to users.

brumbaer · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2008, 02:35:14 pm »

Hello Graham,

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Stefan, we know that Exposure will save files in DNG but what will be the file format of the files stored in the camera? Also DNG?

I honestly do not know. But the backs in use today would need a new firmware to use DNG as internal back storage format.
As users are not supposed to come in contact with "internal back data" directly it does not matter. For the user it will look like there's only DNG. Just as it is now with CS. CS users should only be confronted with STI files.

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I understand that you were involved with Exposure, is this correct?

No, I have nothing to do with Xposure. To be true, I assume the team hates me

Kind regards
SH

Murray Fredericks · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2008, 04:46:10 pm »

Thankyou Stephan also from me!

And not just the highlight recovery...the separation in the bottom end, noise levels and simplicity make it a great program.

I am sorry it will not continue and even more worried that your 'work' will not be incorporated into exposure. I actually made the decision to go with Sinar based on the results from Brumbaer.

I hope there is a great improvement in image quality in exposure from where we are with captureshop, not just more features?

Murray

brumbaer · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2008, 03:36:15 am »

Thanks for your kind words.

I'm not involved in the development of Xposure.

I can't give any information about image quality or whether any algorithms of the Brumbaer Tools are part of Xposure.

Regards
SH

Tomas Johanson · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2008, 03:52:55 am »

Thank you Stephan,

I use your tools nearly every day.
I like these small "simple" programs.
I like the images I got from them.

Tomas

Adina · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2008, 04:46:01 am »

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So this is the right time to announce that I will stop supporting the Brumbaer Tools in the last quarter of the year.

Kind regards
SH

OH NOOOOO !

PLEASE DONT GIVE UP !

I have eXposure DNG's, in comparison to your Brummbaer tool there is NO question
that i use Brumbaer tools in the future ...

At the (Beta) moment there is no user White Reference, no Color matrices, no ColorChecker 24 /SG Support !

OH NOOOOO !

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To be true, I assume the team hates me

I'm not involved in the development of Xposure.

I don't understand this
My local sinar dealer advised me to take the brumbaer tools for the best image
quality.

@Brummbaer
If you realy stop supporting the Brumbaer Tools, will you make the sources
public ? Or will you give they to an other developer ?

Greetings
Adina

Christopher Arnoldi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2008, 05:14:37 am »

One question: am I right that brumbaer tools don't work with my Sinarback 54H?

Christopher

ynp · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2008, 05:56:02 am »

Dear Stephan,

Thank you for your work, I am relying on the Tools more than on CS with my eMotion files. The Brumbaer DNG Converter has been the only reason I am still with my Sinar/Jenoptik backs and did not switch. At least two Russian photographers bought the e75LVs this year because of your programs and the workflow they offer.

Thank you again,
Yevgeny

David WM · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2008, 08:04:24 am »

Hi Stephan,
Thank you for your efforts. It has been amazing that you have personally developed and supported this product with instant response to any querries on its use. I have been bewildered why companies with teams working on software can't even approach your level of service. Now you have developed the product, is it feasible to comercialise it to allow future development? Even after Xposure is released if the features you have developed are not in it I expect the demand will be there.
David

Carl Glover · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2008, 09:08:00 am »

Stephan,

Please don't stop!

Your software works brilliantly and gets my DNGs into the Adobe universe quickly.

Most importantly of all - you listen! Where else can you email the author of the software with a problem and have a fix emailed back within half an hour?

Thank you!

brumbaer · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2008, 07:26:46 pm »

Thanks again for your response(s).

@Alina

It's unlikely that I will go "open source", but its many months till the end of the year.

@Christopher

Officially the Tools support only eMotion backs.

Unofficially eMotionDng converts sti files from other backs to DNGs as well. The chances that it will convert 54H files are good, but STIs are not as good a starting point for the conversion as IAs are. (Because some processing steps have been applied to the raw image, before the sti is written)

The eMotionReader cannot be used to read the images from non-eMotion backs, so you will still have to use CS.

I cannot say whether it makes sense for you to use eMotionDng in addition to CS and how the final quality of the images will be, because I do neither have an 54H nor do I know your workflow.

Kind regards
SH

BJNY · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2008, 09:09:46 pm »

Does this mean all RAW files aren't truly "RAW".

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...STIs are not as good a starting point for the conversion as IAs are. (Because some processing steps have been applied to the raw image, before the sti is written)

brumbaer · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2008, 03:22:08 am »

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Does this mean all RAW files aren't truly "RAW".
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Usually we assume raw is the data as it is delivered by the sensor.

The only case I know of where this is the case are the IA/BR files.
All other files have been processed in some ways.
I can't say what steps will have been applied to a certain format, but most likely all of the following:

Blemishes will have been corrected.
Something like a default white file will have been applied.
A black level correction of some sort will have been applied.

There are other things that could have been applied, like a kind of leveling in relation to ISO settings and whatever.

So different raw formats are differently close to the sensor data. Whether it makes a difference for the "programmer" depends on the steps applied. I.e. it's difficult to increase image quality by changing the way blemishes are removed.

Kind regards
SH

Murray Fredericks · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2008, 03:42:45 am »

Hi Stephan,

from all the testing I performed before stepping into MFDB, the Brumbaer software, Sinar Back combination left all others for dead...

I would certainly be a 'customer' of yours in the future were you to keep the tools updated, particularly as I now see that your 'work' will not be available within Exposure.

Cheers

Murray

BJNY · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2008, 03:50:30 am »

Please elaborate Murray.
For interior + architecture shooters in particular?

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from all the testing I performed before stepping into MFDB, the Brumbaer software, Sinar Back combination left all others for dead...

Murray Fredericks · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2008, 05:15:14 am »

Sure,

my tests were impressions of the files I viewed with relevance to the look, feel and problems encountered shooting architecture and interiors with exisiting light sources.

The best aspect was the highlight recovery and then the way the files 'shouldered' into blown areas, such as the sun itself. Dynamic range in interior/exterior situations became something to use aesthetically, not have to control as a problem.

The Brumbaer/Sinar combo also have me the least 'digitally processed' look.

Also, the separation down low was the best of any combination right down to where noise took over.

There are still drawbacks though, and the major one for me is the noise problems that appear after long exposures - and 30sec often seems way too short for many of the situations I shoot.

The perfect back for me would allow long, noise free exposures with Brumbaer/Sinar image quality!!

These were impressions relevant to the way I shoot every day and to the problems encountered. I did not test with pure science in controlled situation like many here on the forums do. Also, please don't ask me which systems I tried as I don't want to get into a 'mine is better than yours' slanging match here on the forums - we have enough of them I think

I will say that I tried both chips (there are only two in all mfdbs as far as I understand) and I viewed the files processed in the major programs available and applicable to each back.

Murray

PS If relevant I use Lightroom with the DNGs

Murray Fredericks · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2008, 05:19:16 am »

These single images - not stacked exposures.

Thought it may be relevant

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