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papa v2.0

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« on: March 10, 2008, 09:29:36 pm »

i do agree thereis a bit of anti US feeling at themoment but is par for the course.
America is a world leader in a lot of areas but does lag behind in others. that is depending on your personal view point. but as a scot we get it tight every where we go, so whats new!

( is that a skirt you are wearing, or some anti jock sweaty slang. try living in bermondsey in london as a jock!)

the american sense of humor is not as focused as it is in the uk. hence maybe the feling that you are getting the Pi** ripped out of you at every level.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0443453/

and this guy is a Jew from Engerland!


I personally have a lot of time for americans but sometimes i just wonder where the collective mind thought is going on some subjects. i digress.

i think its corporate america or corporate any country is  what people have a problem with.

as a collective of like minded people on this forum we should not discord any political thought but embrace it. as an ameteur photographer i feel there should be no politicl boundarys on what or where or whom i can or can not take a photograph of. (

a bit of difference of thought is a good thing not a bad thing. and to kill a thread because it opens up dicussions between like minded people across the globe  on a non photographic thread is maybe a bit premature.


this is a very good forum and i have leant a lot from everything i have rerads and also sometime i have had to question some of the knoledge put forward ( sorry the pixel mafia). but at the end of the day we are all learing . to divorce photography and politics is ????  (any answers on this point)


any hoo

an american was in london and i had the priviladge of attending two of his lectures on color science.
Prof Roy S Berns of the RIT gave a lecture on multi spectral imagaing for the Colour Group of GB
where he recieved the Newton Medal for contibution to colour science.



so yes you yanks have 'noot t'b wurreeedd aboot' (nothing to be worried about)

leading edge in the world now but  we brits are not too far behind and will leap frog the americas soon.  (unless samsung  get in the way),
ho ho ho.


cio

ps sorry aboot the speeling butt im a dafty teuchter.
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Rob C

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 03:32:03 pm »

Well, for a start, we are not all like-mided on this site; far from it in fact, and hence the usually interesting exchange of opinions.

I don´t know if you were just creating examples to illustrate a point, but if you do really wear a kilt in London, then I think you are either very nationalistic in a sort of corrupted SNP sense of being nationalistic or, worse, simply striving weakly for personal identity, some token by which you might stand out from the crowd.

That being Scottish in London is somehow difficult, is pushing my credulity to the extreme! London, that is London of today, no longer has any identity of its own. A melting pot is just that: a melting pot. Anybody will fit in. The question has to be why they would want to so do.

Rob C

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 04:56:16 pm »

Different cultural sites can be interesting and useful. One example that comes to mind is Britain (or most places) compared to the U.S. when certain arts are considered. Vinyl phono records of the 70's and 80's for example. U.S. quality was dismal. It's probably better to have random differences than a committee-ordained rule of what's best for all.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 11:27:34 pm »

Since you brought it up, the suggestion that 300 million Americans share a common "unfocused" sense of humor (or anything at all, for that matter) is ludicrous. Perhaps instead of wasting valuable hours inventing absurd stereotypes, you could make better use of your time by working on your language skills. I'm sure there are literacy programs in your area. Interesting that you describe Sacha Baron Cohen as a Jew from England, rather than an Englishman who happens to be Jewish. Or do folks in your neck of the woods define others primarily by religion?
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2008, 03:57:11 am »

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Oh now come on, we know this goes on all over the world, to a lesser extent these days but it's still there.

How much have the US presidential candidates been hammering home about their own religions, especially if they're catholic? And on the flip side of the coin I've heard Mitt Romney be referred to as 'Mormon' Mitt Romney on several occasions, many times it being a negative placed upon him.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2008, 11:51:04 am »

Just out of curiosity, which candidates have you heard "hammering home" about their Catholicism? (Catholics are a minority in the U.S.) I hail from one of the two predominantly Catholic states in the country, and I've yet to hear a single politician discuss his or her religion during a political campaign. Rhode Island regularly elects Protestants, Jews, and Catholics to public office, and if you were to ask which candidates subscribe to a specific faith, I'd be hard pressed to venture a guess. Mitt Romney failed in his presidential bid because of his propensity to tailor his "views" to the audience he was addressing at any given moment; it had nothing whatever to do with his faith. I live next door to the state where Romney successfully served as governor, and I've yet to hear him referred to as "Mormon Mitt Romney." (and there aren't enough Mormons in Massachusetts to fill a football stadium) Religion may be an issue in parts of the U.S., but it hasn't been a national issue since 1960, and even back then it was overblown in the press. (surprise!) National candidates who attempt to exploit their religious affiliation or ethnic background traditionally do not succeed here. Our ethnic and religious diversity keep that from happening. (just ask Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson George Wallace or Mike Huckabee, among others) I agree that bigotry exists everywhere, but I don't have to like it and I refuse to accept it. The U.S. is just like most other places on the planet - the crazies get most of the ink and the rest of us just go about our business and try to get along.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2008, 12:32:37 pm »

Petrjay

I agree with your views about the OP; however, I think you are a bit off the mark with the other parts of your claim about the lack of prejudice in the States or, for that matter, in the rest of the world.

Quite apart from the elections, which do tend to polarize thinking to a hell of an extent, taking people back to often no longer relevant roots - the champagne socialist thing - it doesn´t quite gell with my admittedly short experience of the American psyche. The impression I have gathered for them, the Americans, is that nobody is primarily an American: you are first an Italian American, an African American, an Irish American, a Jewish American, but hardly ever just an American. This could be a strangely unique exposure to which I have been privy, but there it is, nonetheless.

And, I think it is headed that way in Britain too, where the clan/race/original nationality thing is becoming not lost but ever more pronounced. I fear that the truth lies in a direction other than the liberal left might like. I think people have next to no interest in that melting pot so famous in the 60s/70s and would rather remain who they always were, but enjoy the perks of a more successful ´other´ host nation than their own. I can fully understand why this should be so - the problems arise when people are virtually ordered to see things differently from that which lies plainly under their noses every day of life, but which must be denied at pain of prison.

However, political parties will fail to win this one; reality and the people themselves, of all kinds, will settle how it is going to be. I hope, without too much blood being spilled.

If anyone is in doubt about this, just cast your eyes abroad to Africa, where genocide and slavery have histories as long as the continent, where religion is either the reason or the convenient banner under which to gain land at the expense of those weaker. And nobody is either able to stop it nor willing to try.

Hey ho - what a world we weave ourselves.

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2008, 07:20:06 pm »

Rob, I didn't mean to imply that we've somehow managed to rid our land of prejudice - far from it. But what has improved drastically in my lifetime is the level of tolerance one sees on a regular basis. When I was young, blatant discrimination was everywhere; racial, ethnic and religious slurs were part of everyday conversation, and were by no means limited to the poor and/or uneducated. That kind of behavior isn't gone by any stretch of the imagination, but it's no longer acceptable to most of us. Perfection isn't possible, but I'm happy to settle for progress.

You're absolutely right about Americans clinging to their roots, though we no longer take it very seriously and it's never come anywhere near the point where the country has been in danger of becoming Balkanized. We might root for "The Old Country" during the Olympic Games or the World Cup, but for most of us, that's about as far as it goes these days.  Besides, diversity has its benefits. Where else could I have learned to sing in Acadian French, cook like an Italian, curse in Yiddish and go out for fish and chips that are fit for the gods?

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 03:44:08 pm »

We Americans (from the Italian Amerigo Vespucci) have indeed come a long way in tempering our apparent bigotry, but don't get your hopes up. This is still cowboy land, and Americans' appreciation for quality and quality culture is way, way behind the civilized nations.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 10:38:31 pm »

The U.S. is a big, big place, with a wide variety of sub-cultures.  I've traveled around many portions of it, and find that most generalizations about it and its people are very poor, just because there are so many geographical differences.  Compare people from New York, Texas, San Francisco, Kentucky, New Orleans, Alaska, Hawaii, etc. etc. etc.; other than language, they'll be about as different from each other as people from the U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Greece, etc. are from each other.  When I meet people from Ohio, for example, they feel more alien to me than people from the U.K. & Germany do.

Yes, there are still cowboys, but you sure won't find them in The People's Republic of Berkeley (a semi-joke from back when I was in college, BTW).  Yes, many people don't attach any real importance to their ethnic roots, but in some immigrant communities they definitely do.  It's tough to generalize about America...

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 07:50:42 pm »

No cowboys in Berkeley? No bikers across the bridge in Oakland? I got news for you - there are more rednecks per mile in the coastal areas of California than there are between Atlanta and Chattanooga (or Birmingham). Spent many years in both areas.
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