tilt shift lenses for medium format digital?

[david o]

The Mamiya 50mm f/4 shift lens is actually pretty good, much better optically than the Hartblei, which is kind of junky optically and klunky mechanically. As far as tilt corrections go, your only option is in post production. With a 39 mpixel back, the software solution is viable.
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I am interested in that lens actually... because of the shift but also because of the 50mm. With a back like h25/p25 it makes a 34mm equiv. in 35mm.

Do you think it could be a good buy? Have you tried it on MFDB?

thanks

[eronald]

I am interested in that lens actually... because of the shift but also because of the 50mm. With a back like h25/p25 it makes a 34mm equiv. in 35mm.
Do you think it could be a good buy? Have you tried it on MFDB?

thanks
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I have the 50. It's decent  - not stellar- but its real problem is that although sharper it just isn't wide enough compared with the 24 mm Canon shift I was using before. Shifting doesn't help, you just cannot shift it far enough for those vertical architecture shots. There is definitely a need for a wide auto shift lens for the Mamiya system.

Edmund

[bradleygibson]

No tilt on this solution, but it is unique!

Hasselblad/Zeiss made a 1.4x shifting teleconverter for the Hasselblad V--the 1.4x Perspective Control Mutar.

It throws an even larger than 6x6 image circle, so you can shift with all your lenses from 40mm to 100mm.
 
A good picture of one is here:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/4357...s_PC_Mutar.html

-Brad

[jonstewart]

I have the 50. It's decent  - not stellar- but its real problem is that although sharper it just isn't wide enough compared with the 24 mm Canon shift I was using before. Shifting doesn't help, you just cannot shift it far enough for those vertical architecture shots. There is definitely a need for a wide auto shift lens for the Mamiya system.

Edmund
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I don't know. I think considering the AFD system for this sort of work isn't a good solution. I know it would cost a bit more, but hanging your (expensive) back onto a different camera would probably produce much, much better results.

I'm thinking the new cambo, and a Schneider lens. Cost a bit, but it's not like it's got a short shelf life?

Thoughts?

PS I have the 50 as well, and I completely agree with eronald

[eronald]

I like to use a shift lens as a walkabout for travel, especially night or water shots; the Mamiya 50 doesn't quite cut it, and using an Alpa or equivalent doesn't seem practical. This is one of the cases where 35mm is more flexible than MF, although MF quality is unbeatable.

Edmund

I don't know. I think considering the AFD system for this sort of work isn't a good solution. I know it would cost a bit more, but hanging your (expensive) back onto a different camera would probably produce much, much better results.

I'm thinking the new cambo, and a Schneider lens. Cost a bit, but it's not like it's got a short shelf life?

Thoughts?

PS I have the 50 as well, and I completely agree with eronald
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[jonstewart]

I like to use a shift lens as a walkabout for travel, especially night or water shots; the Mamiya 50 doesn't quite cut it, and using an Alpa or equivalent doesn't seem practical. This is one of the cases where 35mm is more flexible than MF, although MF quality is unbeatable.

Edmund
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I can understand that, and certainly with regard to both the current Cambo wds, and the (larger) alpa's. Sorry to sound repetitive about this, but this new cambo is about 1/2 the size of the current solution. With a wider schneider (nice couplet!) and back (and presumably a removable viewfinder (assuming no live view)), it would be no clumsier  (and would be lighter) than the AFD and a lens.


Mind you, in light of the OP's other questions, I assumed she was talking architecture shooting, but perhaps she wants it for a different application, in which case my contribution is a bit off the mark.

[photo570]

Hi,
     I use the Fuji GX680III, and yes it is no Sinar P3, but it is an excellent camera, even with its "limited" movements, not that that has ever stopped me from getting a shot. Mainly studio product and jewelry. The range of lenses is hardly limited at 18, from 50mm to 500mm, and the ability to use 4x5 lenses with an adapter.

The point is you need to decide what you need, and then see what fits your needs best, for me it was the Fuji, for others it will be different.

Good luck.
Jason Berge

[Sean Reginald Knight]

Rethink the Hartblei : http://www.hartblei.eu ?

[david o]

interesting but at more than 6 tho the 40mm I would like to see how it perform...

[jonstewart]

Rethink the Hartblei : http://www.hartblei.eu ?
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No mention of image circle though in their literature. I wonder is the the target market small format, rather than medium.

[geesbert]

as I see it, the new zeiss/hartblei are for 35mm only, as the imagecircle of those lenses wouldn't cover hardly any shifts

[clawery]

No tilt on this solution, but it is unique!

Hasselblad/Zeiss made a 1.4x shifting teleconverter for the Hasselblad V--the 1.4x Perspective Control Mutar.

It throws an even larger than 6x6 image circle, so you can shift with all your lenses from 40mm to 100mm.
 
A good picture of one is here:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/4357...s_PC_Mutar.html

I talked with Hasselblad today and found out that this solution has been discontinued for approximately 5 years.  There are some on E-Bay, but the bids keep climbing.

I know that this is a DSLR on the back end, but is an interesting solution from Cambo called the X-2:

http://www.captureintegration.com/solution...al-view-camera/

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[NicholasR]

No tilt on this solution, but it is unique!

Hasselblad/Zeiss made a 1.4x shifting teleconverter for the Hasselblad V--the 1.4x Perspective Control Mutar.

It throws an even larger than 6x6 image circle, so you can shift with all your lenses from 40mm to 100mm.
 
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It's interesting.  Unfortunate that it is a 1.4x though.  That makes the shortest focal length possible a 56mm.  I'm assuming they made it a converter in order to increase the image circle for the 6x6 back.

It seems like they could easily make a version of their HC converter with a little rise ability as we are shooting a sub 6x45 size chip with a full 6x6 lens.  A nice 40mm with a shift adapter!  Come on Hassleblad.  Instead they will wait for way too long, then release a tilt shift lens that costs more than an alpa and breaks ever time you look at it wrong (yes, I own a blad, and yes the thing malfunctions constantly.  Anyone want to trade their p45 for my 2 month old H3D?).

Or you could put the 30 fisheye on it.  That would screw with my head!  Shift on a fisheye.

[airgunr]

I am doing a little research regarding ts lenses and medium format digital. First, are there any ts lenses for any medium format digital? and if so, for which camera?? Finally, are they any good, which is the best,

Thanks,
Stacy
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Not a lens nor very portable but I beleive Novoflex makes a bellow system that allows T/S similar to Large Format for the Medium and 35mm formats.  They also have lenses for the system.  Pretty expensive if I remember correctly but looked very cool.

[EricWHiss]

Was just looking at this http://www.horsemanusa.com/vcc_SpAc.html
Think this has come up before in other threads.  Has anyone tried it?  I see that it comes in a Mamiya 645 mount.

[eronald]

Was just looking at this http://www.horsemanusa.com/vcc_SpAc.html
Think this has come up before in other threads.  Has anyone tried it?  I see that it comes in a Mamiya 645 mount.
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Things like this seem to be suitable for medium tele and macro work, but wide angle is an unsolved problem - one either needs to give up the SLR composition or the ability to shift.

When decent back LCDs and Liveview finally come to the backs the Alpa-type solutions will become much more usable in the field.

Edmund

[jonstewart]

Things like this seem to be suitable for medium tele and macro work, but wide angle is an unsolved problem - one either needs to give up the SLR composition or the ability to shift.

When decent back LCDs and Liveview finally come to the backs the Alpa-type solutions will become much more usable in the field.

Edmund
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I don't think liveview makes any difference in the field (well, in domestic and commercial buildings) since checking composition and lighting and detail still benefits from a larger calibrated notebook, used in a tethered shooting mode. About all the use of a small screen on the back is good for, is showing the histogram to check exposure.

[Morgan_Moore]

I don't think liveview makes any difference in the field (well, in domestic and commercial buildings) since checking composition and lighting and detail still benefits from a larger calibrated notebook, used in a tethered shooting mode. About all the use of a small screen on the back is good for, is showing the histogram to check exposure.
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Try the live view on the Nikon D3 and its zooming facility and I think you would reconsider that post

- of course at 12mp the D3 is no good for high really quality architecture but that screen on a digiback would make an alpa a go-er for nearly everything IMO

S

[Dustbak]

Yeah.. with that screen on a MFDB the Alpa would become the killer P&S

BTW. I know a guy that made a custom version of a T&S lens for the Rollei 6000 series. He is still waiting to receive a bust lens from Hasselblad to build one proto for the H as well (needs the shutter).

[jonstewart]

Try the live view on the Nikon D3 and its zooming facility and I think you would reconsider that post

- of course at 12mp the D3 is no good for high really quality architecture but that screen on a digiback would make an alpa a go-er for nearly everything IMO

S
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Sam, I think you answered my post for me. Have you some solution for feeding the output from my Phase  through a Nikon D3, so I can use it's screen?

Big smiles!