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OnyimBob

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« on: February 25, 2008, 04:15:14 PM »

Would like some critique of this image please.

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2008, 04:20:26 PM »

I think I'll need to see a higher res version to help you out.

0x0 is a bit overly tidy.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 05:34:32 PM »

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I think I'll need to see a higher res version to help you out.

0x0 is a bit overly tidy.
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I think you're probably right!
Try this ...

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Cheers, Bob.

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2008, 06:11:47 PM »

I kind of get caught up in the detail on the lower right corner.

I think if you take just a touch off the bottom and half a touch off the right I think you can keep that detail while deemphasizing it just enough to allow the eye to follow the river in.

Very nice photo regardless.

Edit: Played with this a little.  I hope you don't mind.  I just took a bit off the bottom and the right.  Not sure at all that this was needed.   I also cloned out (badly) the dark branch in the distance.  I think it would work just as well if I dodged that thing to the same general brightness as everything around it.  Just thought it would open the center.

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 12:58:05 AM »

Well, since you asked, I found the two banks of the creek to be too incongruous.  Everybody gets to have an opinion, and so I would rework the image something like this:

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You might want to edit out more on the bottom right...

My $0.02

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 04:23:04 PM »

I dunno.  I kind of like a lot of the detail on the right.  But I see what you're saying.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 07:54:15 PM »

I like the funny stuff on the right, too.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 07:55:48 PM »

I was concerned with the tree in the hazy distance at the end of the stream. The tree's reflection in the stream is almost clear without the haze. Doesn't seem right somehow.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008, 11:37:38 PM »

Hey... to each his own!  Or her own as the case may be.  If everyone thought exactly the same, life would be boring.

Mike.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 12:50:32 AM »

Nice shot, I like the palette of the whole thing. Nicely muted greens, great light. I think your crop is fine...you could do a million things with it, make a choice and go for it.

The previous suggested crops are all working.  

I like the "matter of factness" of your take on it , Bob.  

This is the kind of image that would take off if it was shot in 4x5, or, even better, 8x10. Cool to get involved in the detail in images like this...where's the empty pop can??

There's one little detail that's bugging me, something I would remove. At the very top of the reflection of the hero tree, there is a black rock that forms a funky tangent with the top of the tree reflection...I'd remove it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 06:39:38 AM »

Well gentlemen, thank you all for your responses. Peter, your comments about the cropping opportunites is supported by Mike's and Dark Penguin's offerings. I like the penguin's, but Mike's doesn't grab me at all - which means life is not boring!  
Peter's remarks about a larger format resonate with me. I'm about to step up from the D70 to something with more mps mainly because I'm not very often satisfied with the resolution of detail.
This image however, speaks to me more perhaps than I should expect others to hear. The circumstances in which it was made (aftermath of a bushfire), the great familiarity I have with this wilderness stream which virtually flows through our garden, the fact that it was a time of drought and the river had virtually stopped flowing .... all of these mean that the image has an emotional pull on me which probably far outweighs any aesthetic/artistic merit it might have.
Some of your remarks about trees, rocks etc., reveal to me how unobservant I have been. Most of them make the image better, why didn't I see it first?
Again, thank you all. I think this is an image I'm going to work with for a while.
Bob.
BTW I wish I could call you some thing else besides Dark Penguin, Dark Penguin!

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 09:49:21 AM »

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He often gets called other things, like "Dark", "Mr. P.", "D.P.", etc. I think the name has a certain evocative charm. As does your photo, Bob.
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2008, 11:30:03 AM »

I'm coming into this a little late, but I'll give you my 2 cents now...

I like this photo very much.  I love its visual complexity (or "messiness"), the muted tones, and the bird "ghost" in the sky.  The texture is gorgeous.  I think DarkPenguin's crop works best.

I remember an image you took of this river (the same place? - I'm not sure) before the fire, an image that was all glowing bright greens and golds.  That one was more beautiful, but this one says something very different, and that's good too.

Lisa

P.S.  to DarkPenguin:
Something I've been wondering for a long time - is your name a parody of Dark Phoenix???

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 11:48:18 AM »

It is Tom.

The name comes from a Woody Allen short story.  "Selections from the Allen Notebooks" if I'm not mistaken.  I think that it is in the same book that had "If the Impressionists had been dentists".  (Which just killed my high school art teacher.)
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008, 12:58:42 PM »

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It is Tom.

The name comes from a Woody Allen short story.  "Selections from the Allen Notebooks" if I'm not mistaken.  I think that it is in the same book that had "If the Impressionists had been dentists".  (Which just killed my high school art teacher.)
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Why choose Tom? There are many, many literary characters called Tom; why donīt you just stick with your own name as usual?

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2008, 01:29:33 PM »

I have the feeling it has the tone you were going for, and if so good job, I like the composition.  But as a whole, it's pretty drab and flat for my taste.  It doesn't grab my eye at all.

I have a few like it hanging, and they always get passed over by onlookers.  It just needs more pop.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2008, 10:25:48 PM »

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My mom chose the name Tom.  I suspect my dad was in collusion with her.

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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2008, 11:41:33 PM »

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"Dark Penguin" has class and pizzazz. "Tom" is sort of ho-hum, IMHO.

Now I've got to get Woody Allen's stories. I've mostly watched his films (some of them many times).
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2008, 11:52:35 PM »

Personally I feel the name Hortense has been under represented.


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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2008, 12:25:31 PM »

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This image however, speaks to me more perhaps than I should expect others to hear. The circumstances in which it was made (aftermath of a bushfire), the great familiarity I have with this wilderness stream which virtually flows through our garden, the fact that it was a time of drought and the river had virtually stopped flowing .... all of these mean that the image has an emotional pull on me which probably far outweighs any aesthetic/artistic merit it might have.
Some of your remarks about trees, rocks etc., reveal to me how unobservant I have been. Most of them make the image better, why didn't I see it first?
Again, thank you all. I think this is an image I'm going to work with for a while.
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A viewer's interpretation of an image may differ drastically from a photographer's original intent. And not all viewers will come to the same conclusion. Photographers who have high expectations that all would converge with their own are only kidding themselves. The pragmatic ones would let viewers make up their own minds.

Living close by, you have the distinct advantage of returning to shoot again and again. Capturing a more interesting sky (with clouds, colors) and its reflections in the stream would enhance this image.

As an aside, I find digitally replacing the sky in this image *well* very challenging. And I have boxes like this one taken thousands of miles away. Sigh
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