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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2008, 06:23:12 AM »

Leonardo,

the main reasons for the 6x6 format were:

- no need to rotate the camera, unlike the H series
- being ready for possible future bigger sensors
- make use of a large number of existing 6x6 lenses coming from the 6008 series (for this point: I shall publish later today a complete list of more than 45 different lenses fitting the Sinar Hy6)

Best regards,
Thierry

Best regards,
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That is really good, the best of two worlds. But I'm yet to understand the idea behind a 6x6 format, what do you think the it is/was?
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2008, 06:40:49 AM »

About 85% of my work is in portrait rather than landscape. Having the sensor rotated 90 degrees rather than the camera has made my life a lot simpler.

The ergonomics are excellent by the way. I'm not aware of the camera when I'm working with it, just what is in front of me. Nice lenses too.

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2008, 09:33:42 AM »

Its a bit off topic, but on more than one occasion I have heard the 11880 other than size and the ability to switch MK-PK inks is a different critter than the smaller 9880-7880 printers. Some have also suggested clogging and out gassing is just as bad if not worse with the new printers. Whats your experience?

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Right, printed (most often by Mac Holbert of Nash Editions) using the Advanced B&W. Also, Epson is smart about presentation. They use Solux in the booth (they may not be able to fully compensate for the crap lighting in a convention center, but they try).

I've got a 7880, basically the same "engine" and the B&W's are as you say flawless. I had a few good teachers too <g>.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2008, 10:07:30 AM »

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Its a bit off topic, but on more than one occasion I have heard the 11880 other than size and the ability to switch MK-PK inks is a different critter than the smaller 9880-7880 printers. Some have also suggested clogging and out gassing is just as bad if not worse with the new printers. Whats your experience?

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Outgassing and clogging has not been an issue with my 2400 or 7880.  I hear about these problems, read lots of complaining and half expect my printers to clog and have serious outgassing problems but alas they just work.  I've had 1 clog on my 2400, none on my 7880.  I get outgassing with HFA Photorag and Ilford Smooth Pearl.  I leave prints on the HFA paper out for a day or two.

I have heard but do not know for certain that the 11880 is a generation ahead of the smaller X880 printers, and is therefore a different beast.  Anyone have any direct experience?
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2008, 11:19:56 AM »

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Outgassing and clogging has not been an issue with my 2400 or 7880.

My 7880 falls into the same camp, no issues.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2008, 11:41:11 AM »

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I must agree with this, as I hear clogging etc. should happen to my 9800, but it just keeps on printing with nary a hiccup. In the beginning it clogged a bit, but has not had a clog in over a year (touch wood, whatever...)
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2008, 12:36:37 PM »

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I still think Phase should put the 39 mp chip in a ZDII body & sell it at good price. The body is built & how much R&D would it take to put in a 3" screen & fast buffer? Then sell it for $10-15k USD.
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could not agree more. (except that price is a little wishful!)

it is also a different style of camera, not a dslr, and we so very badly need variety in the digital marketplace.

look how well the Mamiya 7 did - that surprised everyone. Phase + Mamiya would be foolish to let this pass by...
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2008, 12:43:28 PM »

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the main reasons for the 6x6 format were:

- no need to rotate the camera, unlike the H series
- being ready for possible future bigger sensors
- make use of a large number of existing 6x6 lenses coming from the 6008 series (for this point: I shall publish later today a complete list of more than 45 different lenses fitting the Sinar Hy6)

Best regards,
Thierry
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oh come on Thierry, we're a little smarter than that here!  

its a hang-over from some warped commitment to 6x6 film backs..

-there will not be a 6x6 sensor in the foreseeable future - certainly the next 5 years.
-lenses cover 645 sensors just as well as 6x6 so thats a non-reason
-a good design would handle well in the vertical too, look at Contax 645.

meanwhile you have made a bigger/heavier camera than is needed for the format/sensor... and as a certain Japanese car designer named 'Toyota' said, "too big or too heavy is bad design".  and look at the US car industry to see how right he was.
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2008, 01:45:23 PM »

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oh come on Thierry, we're a little smarter than that here!  

its a hang-over from some warped commitment to 6x6 film backs..

-there will not be a 6x6 sensor in the foreseeable future - certainly the next 5 years.
-lenses cover 645 sensors just as well as 6x6 so thats a non-reason
-a good design would handle well in the vertical too, look at Contax 645.

meanwhile you have made a bigger/heavier camera than is needed for the format/sensor... and as a certain Japanese car designer named 'Toyota' said, "too big or too heavy is bad design".  and look at the US car industry to see how right he was.
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Well the Hy6/Sinar has a 5year warrantee and a vision longer than that so its entirely probable there might be a sensor to fit the camera before its life is up.  I think your response is out of place.

The Hy6 seems smaller and lighter than the 645 and is more advanced and capable.
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2008, 01:55:16 PM »

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I still think Phase should put the 39 mp chip in a ZDII body & sell it at good price. The body is built & how much R&D would it take to put in a 3" screen & fast buffer? Then sell it for $10-15k USD.
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Considering that the ZD camera did so poorly that it was never brought to the US, despite having been shown at every event for a year... I don't think this will happen.... unless they could make it "Canon sized"
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2008, 07:08:24 PM »

Dear Narikin,

that's all your own opinions, which I do not agree with, obviously.

- 6x6 sensor: I am not pretending that I can predict, but you neither. In any case, THIS was one idea behind, if one likes it or not.

- 645 sensors covered as well as 6x6 lenses: obviously! My point is that here as well, the camera platform is ready for bigger sensors with no need to develop new lenses. Nobody can deny this.

- Contax 645: for sure, this is (was) a good camera. It is the "was" which is the problem.

- bigger/heavier camera? Did you really hold and handle the Hy6? I doubt. It could hardly be lighter and smaller, even if 645. Hold it, play with it and compare it with the exisiting ones.

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oh come on Thierry, we're a little smarter than that here!  

its a hang-over from some warped commitment to 6x6 film backs..

-there will not be a 6x6 sensor in the foreseeable future - certainly the next 5 years.
-lenses cover 645 sensors just as well as 6x6 so thats a non-reason
-a good design would handle well in the vertical too, look at Contax 645.

meanwhile you have made a bigger/heavier camera than is needed for the format/sensor... and as a certain Japanese car designer named 'Toyota' said, "too big or too heavy is bad design".  and look at the US car industry to see how right he was.
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