Ehm? Rollei Hy6 Camera Kit on ebay

[tom_l]

this is a little off-topic, and IMHO not funny at all, but i post it nevertheless. I don't post it over there in the FS forum, as I expect noboby will go and buy the camera at this price. Of course I have no connection to this auction, I hope the seller doesn't mind that I post it here  :

Rollei Hy6 Camera  for sale (ebay nr: 250207286193)

http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V...type=osi_widget

Did I miss something, but this is the film version of the camera. There's no DB included of course. Is this anywhere near the price we will  have to pay if we want a modern MF film camera?

Tom

[amsp]

Jeesh.. you can get a mamiya, full set of lenses and a digital back for roughly that price.

[BJL]

And indeed this is a legitimate dealer's price! Here it is on Kurland Photo's own site:
http://www.kurlandphoto.com/home.php?cat=9

Is this a major early adopter price premium? The comparable 6008 AF kit is under $4,000 on the same page.

[thsinar]

The Sinar Hy6 body, with Waist Level Finder and 2.8/80mm AFD, as shown on eBay, has an enduser catalog price of US$ 7'270.- (SBI prices).

Best regards,
Thierry

And indeed this is a legitimate dealer's price! Here it is on Kurland Photo's own site:
http://www.kurlandphoto.com/home.php?cat=9

Is this a major early adopter price premium? The comparable 6008 AF kit is under $4,000 on the same page.
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[EricWHiss]

The Sinar Hy6 body, with Waist Level Finder and 2.8/80mm AFD, as shown on eBay, has an enduser catalog price of US$ 7'270.-

Best regards,
Thierry
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Wow! Huge difference in price!

[rethmeier]

However you still have to add the 6x4.5 film-holder + adapter!
Those film-holders you can buy on eBay for $300.
I don't know about the price for the adapter.

If you want to use film just wait for the 6x6 film back that should be released soon.

Yes the Hy6 is certainly up there price wise,however you can get a whole stack of lenses
for a good price.

I paid $12K for 5 Schneiders (40+ 55 PCS+60+80/2+90Apo+180).
All manual and all second hand.
New price would be double or more!

Cheers,
WR

[amsp]

However you still have to add the 6x4.5 film-holder + adapter!
Those film-holders you can buy on eBay for $300.
I don't know about the price for the adapter.

If you want to use film just wait for the 6x6 film back that should be released soon.

Yes the Hy6 is certainly up there price wise,however you can get a whole stack of lenses
for a good price.

I paid $12K for 5 Schneiders (40+ 55 PCS+60+80/2+90Apo+180).
All manual and all second hand.
New price would be double or more!

Cheers,
WR
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$12K for 5 lenses, USED? Holy crap! I've paid less than $2K for my 4 Mamiya lenses; (35+80+120 macro+150).

[Carl Glover]

The Rollei lenses are out of this world.

I now possess a mere 10 of them, mostly Schneiders with the odd Carl Zeiss thrown in. I don't mind paying a bit more than usual for them since they do such a good job.

I'm very happy that the hy6 is due out soon and the 35mm Flektagon to follow...

[EricWHiss]

The Rollei lenses are out of this world.

I now possess a mere 10 of them, mostly Schneiders with the odd Carl Zeiss thrown in. I don't mind paying a bit more than usual for them since they do such a good job.

I'm very happy that the hy6 is due out soon and the 35mm Flektagon to follow...
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Yeah its funny or not funny about the price of these lenses. I've got 5 or 6 of them now.   I'd probably not be buying these if my eyes had not been opened by the difference a leica R or Contax Zeiss lens could make over the Canon offerings.  Really substantial in some cases - so I stepped up the plate when I went MFDB.  I'm not sorry but occasionally I'll be slapped in the face by the price differences.   Mamiya 80mm f/1.9 manual lens for $200 or Schneider 80mm f/2.0 for $1500  
hmmmmm..... what am I doing?!!!!!

And not only that but the mamiya weighs about 1/3 that of the rollei.... a lot easier to carry.

[John_Black]

Mamiya lenses are economical on the used market, but if purchased the new, the prices can still make your head spin.  The new 28mm is $4k, the 75-150 zoom is $2500 --- not exactly cheap.

[Graham Mitchell]

Mamiya 80mm f/1.9 manual lens for $200 or Schneider 80mm f/2.0 for $1500 
hmmmmm..... what am I doing?!!!!!

Just keep reminding yourself that the Mamiya's flash sync speed is hopeless. If you don't need that then the difference is harder to justify.

[Graham Mitchell]

Seems that this is STILL for sale? see 270241842228

Why do some sellers spend a fortune on insertion fees advertising at prices way over market value? It's a mystery.

[AndreNapier]

I have shot with Rollei for many years and know quite well all Zeiss and Schneider lenses as I owned them all. I can tell you one thing that unless you are shooting to document smallest technical details the $300 Rz lenses are drawing much prettier on human models than any Rollei lens I ever had.
Just a fruit for thought before you spend 20K.
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[thsinar]

hi Andre,

I do often agree with your views (and work), but here it seems that our opinions go apart. And I am pretty sure that I am not alone with the opposite opinion.

Best regards,
Thierry

I have shot with Rollei for many years and know quite well all Zeiss and Schneider lenses as I owned them all. I can tell you one thing that unless you are shooting to document smallest technical details the $300 Rz lenses are drawing much prettier on human models than any Rollei lens I ever had.
Just a fruit for thought before you spend 20K.
http://AndreNapier.com
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[EricWHiss]

I have shot with Rollei for many years and know quite well all Zeiss and Schneider lenses as I owned them all. I can tell you one thing that unless you are shooting to document smallest technical details the $300 Rz lenses are drawing much prettier on human models than any Rollei lens I ever had.
Just a fruit for thought before you spend 20K.
http://AndreNapier.com
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Hi Andre,
I've heard this before and also I respect your opinion.  But when you post something like that it makes me really curious as I while I have shot the the rollei 6008, I have not tried the RZ.   Could I ask you to point me to some RZ images or share some of your own that you think draw prettier on models?
Thanks,
Eric

[dustblue]

rz is good, indeed. but it's really hard to believe that a cheap rz lens is doing better work than such an expensive schneider one.could you please give us some sample pics directly comparing both? I'll be thankful for that.
 

I have shot with Rollei for many years and know quite well all Zeiss and Schneider lenses as I owned them all. I can tell you one thing that unless you are shooting to document smallest technical details the $300 Rz lenses are drawing much prettier on human models than any Rollei lens I ever had.
Just a fruit for thought before you spend 20K.
http://AndreNapier.com
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[James R Russell]

rz is good, indeed. but it's really hard to believe that a cheap rz lens is doing better work than such an expensive schneider one.could you please give us some sample pics directly comparing both? I'll be thankful for that.
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It all depends on what you shoot.

I haven't used a schneider lens in years, but use Zeiss on the Contax on a weekly basis and the Zeiss are sharp but also have a lot of contrast.

I don't understand the term "draw" but I do know the Zeiss have a more abrupt change in the transitional areas, where the Pentax 6x7 lens I use on my contax is almost like a beauty lens, the tansitional changes are less abrupt.

Digital has change a lot of this mainly because with just a few slider controls you can change the look of a lens quickly, though nothing is as easy as having the right lens for the right subject.

JR

[rethmeier]

Andre is just stirring the pot!
I've read posts from him where he goes ape over Rollei lenses.

In general Japanese lenses have more contrast,therefore they look sharper.
Their bokeh however is not the best.

German optics Zeiss and Schneider and Rodenstock for that matter are famous.

I can't think of anything worse looking trough an RZ with a cropped 6x4.5 viewfinder.

Cheers,
Willem.

[AndreNapier]

Andre is just stirring the pot!
I've read posts from him where he goes ape over Rollei lenses.

In general Japanese lenses have more contrast,therefore they look sharper.
Their bokeh however is not the best.

German optics Zeiss and Schneider and Rodenstock for that matter are famous.

I can't think of anything worse looking trough an RZ with a cropped 6x4.5 viewfinder.

Cheers,
Willem.
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Willem
Go back and look at my previous posts.
Zeiss 110/2.0 - gorgeous and worth having the whole  new system.
Schneider 90/4.0 - the sharpest lens ever.
Stirring the pot? I really have no time in my live for that.
Andre

[clawery]

Just keep reminding yourself that the Mamiya's flash sync speed is hopeless. If you don't need that then the difference is harder to justify.
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With the new Phase One 645 it will be able to accept both leaf and focal plane shutters.  That should allow for higher flash syncing.   There should be some sort of release at Photokina.

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
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