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« on: January 13, 2008, 02:02:44 pm »

I know the M8 is not exactly engineered to be a landscape camera. However I have heard of some folks doing this. The size of the kit, the killer BW conversions and the quality of the lenses are my main drivers for considering it. What I am curious about is how most people that use this camera for that purpose deal with the lack of ND Grads.

With a Canon DSLR I have noticed when trying to take two exposures of a scene and trying to blend in photoshop there is some "flare" , for lack of a better description, around the areas of the frame where the horizon meets the landscape in the frame not exposed for the sky. Is blending two frames with the M8 any different?

I doubt I would ever want to print beyond 20x30 (famous last words) so I think the M8 might be a viable option. I really miss my R-D1 so any input would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 05:10:53 pm »

I have used the M8 extensively since spring 2007 for landscape work, not completely replacing my DSLR but not far short of it. The main advantage for me was weight - carrying an M8 and 3 or 4 lenses on long walks was so much lighter than a Canon 5D and one or two lenses!

I do use ND grads and polarisers with my Canon but do not use any filtration at all with the M8. I have never been much of a fan of HDR but I have found the dynamic range of the M8 is good enough to squeeze out a little shadow detail using Aperture if I expose for the highlights. Clearly this shouldn't be overdone as the resultant photograph can look somewhat artificial and noise and other artefacts can become a real nuisance. I have not performed any scientific tests but I "feel" that the range of the M8 is somewhat greater than the 5D, so whilst ND grads are not completely redundant, I simply do not feel the need to use them.

The attached image illustrates this. I exposed for the sky and have adjusted the image to draw out some of the shadow detail - the beech tree to the left (especially underneath it) being a good example. I did let the really bright clouds burn out, but they are a small part of the sky and in my view of no real consequence. [attachment=4616:attachment]

I regularly print images from my M8 at A3+ and sometimes larger. At A3+ there is no issue (apart from the normal care) and larger is usually no problem.

I now have a Canon 1DsMk3 so it has yet to be seen if greater resolution will win over the light weight of the M8 when walking across the hills in my part of the world!
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 08:01:35 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 11:54:44 am »

This is a good read. Is there any more personal experience with this on this board?

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 01:38:49 pm »

I am a landscape photographer and will have my hands on a Leica M8 with 50mm 2.5 summarit lens on wednesday.  I will keep you updated.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 01:39:41 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 08:24:20 pm »

Here's another great article I just discovered.  http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Jan08/86.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 04:34:46 am »

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Here's another great article I just discovered.  http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Jan08/86.pdf
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I to have a M8 and used it for quite a lot of landscape work. It is especially great for handeld Panos, because the lenses are just fantastic.

It is true, that it takes some time to get used to the new handling and different style of shooting.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 06:30:40 pm »

Just starting to post my first images with my new M8.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 11:11:32 am »

Here's another example:

http://www.pro-imaging.org/content/view/193/146/

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 04:41:02 pm »

I not only use it for landscape, but lead workshops with it.  (See  http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21 for the current offering.)  

Bottom line is the small size, low weight and outstanding file quality and outstanding lenses make it an excellent choice for highly portable landscape rig.  As respects SND filters, I don't use them, instead preferring to take a few exposures and blend them later in CS3 for a more perfect effect.  We teach this concept on some of the workshops. Here is a sample of two base exposures and the resultant blended M8 file, taken during a workshop in Yosemite last fall (click for larger view):

Dark (sky) exposure:


Light (foreground) exposure:


Final blend (which includes additional processing):


Cheers,
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 06:08:53 pm »

Jack,

What are your favourite lenses for the m8 taking into consideration the crop factor?

rgrds, Jochem

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I not only use it for landscape, but lead workshops with it.  (See  http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21 for the current offering.) 

Bottom line is the small size, low weight and outstanding file quality and outstanding lenses make it an excellent choice for highly portable landscape rig.  As respects SND filters, I don't use them, instead preferring to take a few exposures and blend them later in CS3 for a more perfect effect.  We teach this concept on some of the workshops. Here is a sample of two base exposures and the resultant blended M8 file, taken during a workshop in Yosemite last fall (click for larger view):

Dark (sky) exposure:


Light (foreground) exposure:


Final blend (which includes additional processing):


Cheers,
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 10:12:07 pm »

What blending technique did you use.  The trees are nice and properly exposed while the sky behind them is darker.
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I not only use it for landscape, but lead workshops with it.  (See  http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21 for the current offering.) 

Bottom line is the small size, low weight and outstanding file quality and outstanding lenses make it an excellent choice for highly portable landscape rig.  As respects SND filters, I don't use them, instead preferring to take a few exposures and blend them later in CS3 for a more perfect effect.  We teach this concept on some of the workshops. Here is a sample of two base exposures and the resultant blended M8 file, taken during a workshop in Yosemite last fall (click for larger view):

Dark (sky) exposure:


Light (foreground) exposure:


Final blend (which includes additional processing):


Cheers,
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 02:04:44 am »

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What are your favourite lenses for the m8 taking into consideration the crop factor?

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I'm sure you know the M8 has a 1.33 crop.  My most used are the 28 Summicron Asph (eff 36) and the 50 Summilux pre-asph (eff 65). Next would be the 21 asph (eff 28).  I carry a 90 (eff 120) and a cosina 12mm (eff 16) to cover the ends.  All of these with two bodies, extra cards, extra batteries, some IR filters and normal cleaning gear all fit easily in a Domke J803 bag with room for water and snacks, or I can add a 35 and 75 if I want:

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Cheers,
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2008, 02:07:47 am »

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What blending technique did you use.  The trees are nice and properly exposed while the sky behind them is darker.
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Thank you.  The technique is fairly complex and why we teach it on a workshop --- it takes an hour or so of instruction and then a few images worth of practice to get the hang of it.  Basically, we layer the two images and construct a mask between them to blend the best features of each image for the final.

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2008, 02:24:27 am »

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2008, 12:20:16 pm »

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Something like this?

http://luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/di...-blending.shtml
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That's the concept.  However, it is an older article and since it was written CS3 has several added features that make the process a lot easier. Especially, a new technique for generating an automated (and excellent) feathered mask for a starting point to further edit directly if necessary, and some new features that help get the separate layers aligned to the pixel for a much cleaner-looking final blend
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2008, 12:36:23 pm »

PS:  I should note that the M8, or more generally rangefinder cameras, are not everybody's cup of tea --- especially if you are relatively new to photography.  However, most experienced photographers I know seem to appreciate the benefits the RF viewfinder offers that distinguish it from an SLR viewfinder; mainly being able to see outside the capture area when composing the image.  

It has many disadvantages to the SLR though, and these need to be considered. The rangefinder is very clearly NOT a replacement for an SLR system since it simply doesn't work well with long lenses -- 90 is about the practical maximum, though some folks do press 135's into use;  macro is tough due to the imprecise framing and lack of TTL focus; focus is all manual, so tracking moving subjects takes some skill.  

But for landscape, most of those deficiencies don't matter much, and the rangefinder process is in many ways like using a portable version of a view camera --- albeit without the lens/standard movements.  Plus it makes an outstanding compact and lightweight travel outfit

Bottom line is my advice is to rent or borrow one (or attend a workshop where you can use one) BEFORE you lay out any hard cash for one.

Cheers,
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2008, 10:41:30 pm »

Here are a bunch of recent M8 landscape shots.  Please view the tags under the images to distinguish if the shot was taken on my M8 or P45+
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2008, 12:30:06 am »

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Here are a bunch of recent M8 landscape shots.

Not to go off topic, but although it's at a rather oblique angle, I'd say your owl image is a barn owl.  They have a rather particular dished face, as can be seen here:

http://www.owlpages.com/owls.php?genus=Tyto&species=alba

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