Sinar Hy6 1 mounth later.

[favalim]

One mounth ago I tried a Sinar Hy6 with e75LV and I compared it with my 1Ds II; I was amazed by the resolution and color reproduction but disappointed by the noise, I posted a topic about this. I decided then to try the Leaf Afi 75, the files were better in noise but I was not convinced about the color rendition, the colors looked more digital than sinar.
So I decided to order the Sinar Hy6 with e75LV and don't care about noise. It arrived one week ago and after some days of use I' completely satisfied about it. The colors  are incredibly neutral and true. The 3D look is visible even in a low resolution comparison with  a MKII but I guess the rollei lenses here play a big role. The only crappy part of the system is the back display (ridicolous in color rendition end dimension) and the Capture Shop software so Brumbaer' tool is a must.
Now I'm looking for a digital LF lens in order to use the back on my Cambo Ultima D, maybe a digitar 47 XL.
It worths every euro I paied for it (well, I'll pay ..)
If you have question about the Hy6 feel free to ask me.

[bradleygibson]

Thank you for the information.

I'm curious about a few things:

  - What type of work are you using for?

  - Which lens(es) are you using with it?

  - Have you experienced any hesitation with the AF in moderate (~EV 7-ish) lighting conditions?

[favalim]

Thank you for the information.

I'm curious about a few things:

  - What type of work are you using for?

  - Which lens(es) are you using with it?

  - Have you experienced any hesitation with the AF in moderate (~EV 7-ish) lighting conditions?
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I use it for studio interiors shot: furniture basically.
At the moment I have the  Scneider 40mm, 60mm (Curtagon), 80mm, and 150 Tele Xenar. In this first week I've just used the 80mm so I still don't know how the others work. AF is not excellent in low light conditions but I always use manual focus with live video wich is fantastic.

[rethmeier]

Technical Data Sinarback eMotion 75 and 75 LV
   
Digital camera back for 1-shot exposures with all types of light sources
Active sensor size: 48.0 x 36.0 mm
Sensor resolution: 6668 x 4992 pixels, 33 million pixels
CCD pixel size: 7.2 µm
File size RAW: 64 MB
File size RAW, compressed: 32 MB
File size at 48 bit TIFF: 190 MB
Image capturing rate: Up to 40 images per minute
Live image view finder: Yes (only with eMotion 75 LV)
Shutter speeds: 1/10000 to 4 seconds; long time exposures: 4 to 32 seconds
Dynamic range (contrast): 12 f-stops
Digitalization: 48 bit (16 bit per color channel)
Nominal sensitivity: ISO 50 (adjustable from 50 to 400)
Interface: 1x IEEE 1394A Firewire
Power supply: Alternatively via Firewire or interchangeable lithium-ion battery
On-board battery operating time: Up to 3 hours or approximately 250 exposures
On-board data storage:
- Solid-state memory 6 GB (for up to 85 uncompressed or 160 compressed images)
- Optionally, additional interchangeable Compact Flash Card of up to 8 GB (for up to further 120 uncompressed or 220 compressed images)
On-board monitor: 2.2", 16 million colors
Information on display: Images, histogram, sensitivity, battery condition, exposure warning, memory status, white balance
Operation mode: Alternatively untethered (data storage onboard) or tethered (data storage via Firewire cable directly on hard disk)
Functionality: Sensitivity, White balance, Zoom up to 1:1, Resolution, compression, language selection (Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Spanish)
Exposure software: Sinar CaptureShop™: for eMotion 75 Version 5.3 or higher; for eMotion 75 LV Version 5.5 and higher
Dimensions: 92 x 81 x 71 mm
Weight: 600 g
Computer requirements (recommended): Apple Macintosh G5, Core Duo, or Core 2 Duo >1.8 GHz, with OS 10.4.9 and higher, 1 GB RAM, IEEE 1394a Interface

[Graham Mitchell]

Who is right? Sinar web technical information or Michael's 3FP?
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Here is a video demo: [a href=\"http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvBsAUnuZOs]http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvBsAUnuZOs[/url]

[Dustbak]

Just want to know why just up to 8GB, it is very strange! My leaf aptus 22 works well with Sandisk Extereme III 16GB.

And as for the shooting rate, according to Michael's review on Hy6, he says:
'It's quite interesting to take the back off the Hy6 and press the shutter release. The speed is amazing – about 3 FPS. If the day comes that medium format backs can write that quickly, and physically larger sensors also become available, the Hy6 will be ready. '

Who is right? Sinar web technical information or Michael's 3FP?

Anway, practics is more accurate than those web technical specifications.

Thanks,

Xin Chen
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The 3fps is for the body, the tech specs are for the Sinar back. This might explain the difference. 1.5sec's/frame for the back & 3fps for the body.

I think the spec's of the backs were written down before there were 16gb cards but I might be mistaking here. Maybe one of the Sinar users or Thierry can shed some light on this.

[Natasa Stojsic]

[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']The only crappy part of the system is the back display (ridicolous in color rendition end dimension) [/span]
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That is why I suggested that they bring along with their new Hy6 & Lenses a 3" screen as improvement to their line of digital backs. If they do it, I am sure the odds of staying competitive and selling more products compare to others Phase, Leaf, Hasselblad for 2008 would definitely change.

Will Sinar listen and do it this time without the delay?

[favalim]

Can that  Sinar e75LV back support 16GB CF card or only 8GB card?

How about the shooting speed? 1 shoot /1.5sec.?

Thanks

Xin Chen
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I don't know about 16GB CF cards, anyway you have 6GB back's internal memory extra of your 8 GB card. I've just tried the shooting speed, it's about 1shoot/1.5 s with e75LV, probably will be faster with a 22Mp back.
Ciao

[favalim]

One thing has changed from the tech specs: ISO range now is 100-800 and no 50-400.
When I tried the Hy6 one mounth ago it was still 50-400 but 100-800 sounds more real compared to my MKII.

[rainer_v]

One thing has changed from the tech specs: ISO range now is 100-800 and no 50-400.
When I tried the Hy6 one mounth ago it was still 50-400 but 100-800 sounds more real compared to my MKII.
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i hope they just changed the numbers not the real isos.... will check it out.

[thsinar]

Yes, that's right:

- 3 fps concerns the Hy6 body
- 1,5 sec/frame is the continuous shooting rate of the eMotion 75/75 LV

And yes, the specs of the SB was written when there was no 16 GB cards available. There should be no problem using them, though I have to check which one are supported officially.

Best regards,
Thierry

The 3fps is for the body, the tech specs are for the Sinar back. This might explain the difference. 1.5sec's/frame for the back & 3fps for the body.

I think the spec's of the backs were written down before there were 16gb cards but I might be mistaking here. Maybe one of the Sinar users or Thierry can shed some light on this.
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[thsinar]

Dear favalim,

The shooting speed with the eMotion 22/54 LV is 0.8 sec/frame.

I would not recommend to take 16 gb cards, not even 8 gb, but rather having 4 x 4 gb, for obvious reasons. And in any case, the internal 6 GB is available, in addition to the CF card.

Best regards,
Thierry

edited for correction: the internal memory of the e75 should read 6 GB, not 8 GB as wrongly typed.

I don't know about 16GB CF cards, anyway you have 6GB back's internal memory extra of your 8 GB card. I've just tried the shooting speed, it's about 1shoot/1.5 s with e75LV, probably will be faster with a 22Mp back.
Ciao
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[thsinar]

You most probably did not have a body with the latest firmware but one of the first demo units.

Thierry

I tried a Leaf Afi 6 in Shanghai. Feel the shake is still very big. And the body producing quality cannot compare with the Contax 645's.
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[thsinar]

That's what I have communicated many times here: Sinar's ISO rating is quite "conservative" and when compared with others, it is most likely that you will notice at least 1 f-stop under-exposure with the other backs at the same ISO setting.

This has been confirmed by a few users/testers here on LL already.

Thierry

One thing has changed from the tech specs: ISO range now is 100-800 and no 50-400.
When I tried the Hy6 one mounth ago it was still 50-400 but 100-800 sounds more real compared to my MKII.
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[thsinar]

Dear Chinchenc,

I doubt the price is the one you're mentioning below, only for a Hy6 with eMotion 75 LV: did you contact our distributor PSC in Guangzhou?

If not, get in touch with Hugh Wong from PSC.

Best regards,
Thierry

Great News for my 16G cards! Wish Sinar update its specification.

I am considering buy a Hy6. But in China, the price is rediculous at RMB 328000, which is about USD 44747! Leaf Shanghai dealer provides much better price for their Leaf AFi, which is not more than the price in USA.
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[favalim]

That price is quoted from your dealer PSC in Guangzhou. Sinar dealer in China is not professional, but just sales persons.

Anyway, Thanks.
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More or less these are the prices here in Europe: [a href=\"http://www.photal.nl]http://www.photal.nl[/url] (click on Digital Camera's)
One think I didn't like about Leaf dealer here in Italy was the huge discount they offered me from the official price once they knew I was deciding to buy the Sinar Hy6 instead of their Afi 75: about € 6000!! the Sinar official price instead is much very close to the best price they can offer. That's my experience.