Topic: Crazy Ideas (Read 12383 times)

Morgan_Moore · « **on:** November 25, 2007, 06:41:08 am »

It seems to me that DBs are kind of static in thier design concepts

bringing a few more MP and nudging the ISO but not really moving forward

What are people's crazy ideas ?

Mine.

-16mp 3200ISO back

-Back with internal stabilisation (VR) of the chip

-decent live view to a 5" screen with focus confirm etc

-real time wireless tethered shooting

-AF back (where the chip microsteps to bring focus)

These seem to be one or two generations away - not impossible.

S

tom_l · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2007, 06:58:10 am »

Nice thread,

My wishlist:

-real wireless shooting
-Iso 3200
-internal 30Gb+ HD (some backs have internal memory, i know)
-Raw + jpg mode
-Double (multi) exposure with different white balances
-battery able to shot for 3+ days
very conservative wish-list, I know...

Tom

Dustbak · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2007, 07:49:37 am »

1) No-more Bayer sensors but Foveon like to get rid of color interpolation however with 22MP or more.
2) Better ISO performance.
3) True modular systems with open standards to which every component manufacture complies.

mahleu · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2007, 07:50:02 am »

My list is short:

Under $1000
6x6 sensor
Onboard solid state storage of 20gb or more

thsinar · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2007, 07:59:00 am »

... and a free assistant (preferably a girl/woman) with this package!

... may be/tentatively next Christmas, but probably not for this year.

Thierry

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My list is short:

Under $1000
6x6 sensor
Onboard solid state storage of 20gb or more
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mahleu · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2007, 08:12:58 am »

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... and a free assistant (preferably a girl/woman) with this package!

... may be/tentatively next Christmas, but probably not for this year.

Thierry
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It would definately sell, but running costs could be high.

EgillBjarki · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2007, 08:32:39 am »

Very intresting list indeed...

How ever, we have the 35mm DSLR system that covers the high ISO, image stabilation, 5fps and is 22MP. We have the MF systems with the 39MP, ultra sharp, speedy sync and 16bit AD image convertion. Do we want a system that has all this in one camera?

Would be grate to have all this in one camera!

Why not keep them as they are?

Why not let the 35mm systems keep developing theyre compact systems at low price with decent qualety, high ISO, bright zoom lenses and speedy focus and capture?

Why not let the MF systems keep developing backs with bigger sensors, higher image qualety, more MP and sharper optics at the cost of low ISO, no image stabilation and few zoom optics?

I for one think with the next generation of MF digital backs we will have probles with optics. Right now I loose alot of resolutin shooting on f22 on my H2 p30+ cambo, I consider f22 unusable. I can live with f16, but how will f16 be useble with a new potential future 80MP back?

I would rather MF camera and digital back makers would consintrade on making lenses that have better resolution, rather than developing IS, higher ISO and so forth...

We cant have it all in one camera. Why not sattle on having two systems in our bags where eatch system fits each occasion. That way each camera maker can develope theyre product for more spesific usage?

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:44:26 am »

- Full 645 sensor size
- good performance at ISO 3200
- 2 fps

Image stabilization is an interesting idea too.

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:53:53 am »

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Very intresting list indeed...

How ever, we have the 35mm DSLR system that covers the high ISO, image stabilation, 5fps and is 22MP. We have the MF systems with the 39MP, ultra sharp, speedy sync and 16bit AD image convertion. Do we want a system that has all this in one camera?

Would be grate to have all this in one camera!

Why not keep them as they are?

Why not let the 35mm systems keep developing theyre compact systems at low price with decent qualety, high ISO, bright zoom lenses and speedy focus and capture?

Why not let the MF systems keep developing backs with bigger sensors, higher image qualety, more MP and sharper optics at the cost of low ISO, no image stabilation and few zoom optics?

I for one think with the next generation of MF digital backs we will have probles with optics. Right now I loose alot of resolutin shooting on f22 on my H2 p30+ cambo, I consider f22 unusable. I can live with f16, but how will f16 be useble with a new potential future 80MP back?

I would rather MF camera and digital back makers would consintrade on making lenses that have better resolution, rather than developing IS, higher ISO and so forth...

We cant have it all in one camera. Why not sattle on having two systems in our bags where eatch system fits each occasion. That way each camera maker can develope theyre product for more spesific usage?
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Fair point about two systems but

MF bigger chips make cool images and are twice the res and crap flash synch speed/ viewing experiencxe on DSLRs

I may not want actually to buy two systems and associated lenses

I certainly dont want to carry two systems especially on planes

H1 is my primary platform but low ISO stresses me out - so I always have a DSLR on hand too

a 16mp 1000 back would sort this

And surely the MF makers should just roll over to thier competition

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Of course we all want 6400 ASA 80mp at a cost of $1000

I am more interested in proper funky ideas like, I dont know, mult shot that create huge DOF with programmed focus braketing or I dont now

Particluarly how cameras can use digital technology and information analysis

Current backs are just expensive 'instant film'

S

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #9 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:56:20 am »

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... and a free assistant (preferably a girl/woman) !

Thierry
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A most useful contribution from an employee of a camera maunufactuer

S

Dustbak · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:56:26 am »

In camera focus blending (or at the moment of RAW conversion would also be acceptable). The Hy6 already has focus bracketing which is half the solution.

JerryReed · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:25:49 pm »

I tend to believe that while it may be helpful to have larger sensors, as well as some of the other advances previously discussed, that for the near term the gains likely will come from advances in how the image data are treated by imaging software.

I believe that software might be created that can for instance stack captures and integrate a combination of images where the focus began on the nearest part of the scene and the photographer moved the focus deeper and progressively deeper still into the scene. The role of the software then would be to analyze contrast of the several layers and select from that layer sections of the scene, where contrast-based criterion would be used to identify that part of the scene from all the images, which is in sharpest focus. I see this as being a way of going beyond what physical properties of light and exception lenses can provide.

In this way a series of exposures at f/4 might appear to have been made at f/16, with the added low noise benefit flowing from the utilization of an ISO that might be as modest as ISO 50 or 100. Naturally, static subjects would benefit most from such advances.

No doubt, photographers more visionary than I can see even more advanced applications for software solutions to photographic limitations. At least we might speculate about software work-arounds to photographic limitation, while we are waiting for the economics of wafer design and manufacture to provide advances along traditional paths to better cameras.

Jerry Reed

JerryReed · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:28:10 pm »

Holy Cow:

Dustbac, I just saw your message when I went to see how many miss-spellings were in mine once it was posted, and there was your idea.

Oops,

Jerry Reed

Mort54 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:43:19 pm »

My only experience is with Phase backs, so my comments are relative to them.

First, provide a big, beautiful, hi-rez screen (like the one on Nikon's new D3) as well as support for untethered, zoomable, live view. Ideal for focus confirmation, and in the case of techincal cameras, perfect for composition and focussing.

Second, provide a user programmable function button, or two even. I'd use it (or them) to quickly put the back in custom white balance mode (hold an expo disk in front of the lens, press the function button and take the WB shot and your done), or to wake up the back (really only needed on technical cameras).

Third, for use with techincal cameras, a bluetooth sync input, along with a small bluetooth transmitter that plugs into a lenses sync output socket, and a keyfob-like device that can be pressed to wake up the back. Again, this is really only applicable to Phase backs (and I guess Mamiya backs) when used on technical cameras.

Fourth, the abililty to load different user tone curves would be nice.

Dustbak · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:45:21 pm »

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Holy Cow:

Dustbac, I just saw your message when I went to see how many miss-spellings were in mine once it was posted, and there was your idea.

Oops,

Jerry Reed
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No worries, it is only good when more people have the same ideas

sturman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2007, 02:17:40 pm »

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A most useful contribution from an employee of a camera maunufactuer

S
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Did you leave your sense of humor at home?

Greetings Andy

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2007, 03:07:54 pm »

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Did you leave your sense of humor at home?

Greetings Andy
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Yeah maybe I did

Its quite a serious thread IMO

I would actually like some manfacturer to chip in as why these things are not possible etc

For a manufact rep to push the thread to poor humor is a lost oppourtunity for them

They shoud actually be posting 'what do you guys want threads' not pulling a thread down a dead end channel

I though it showed a lack of respect to the thread and a lack of foresite in useful feedback to manufacuers

(but TH and I have a history of locking horns on this board - tis all good humor)

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The blue tooth fire button would be handy on Sinars on viewcams as well as phase

someone (EPD or Techtalk) sited communications as a reason that a rise/fall back coulndt be made for the Hy6 easisly

So it could have another use there

I dont know if bluetooth would be required, maybe a $10 infrared release, I have one for my nikon D80 $20

S

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2007, 07:42:25 pm »

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First, provide a big, beautiful, hi-rez screen (like the one on Nikon's new D3)

Yes, I forgot this in my earlier post but I agree.

BernardLanguillier · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2007, 10:22:22 pm »

My list, in order of priority, would focus on bringing the convenience of the backs closer to the actual DSLR standard:

- perfectly clean long exposures up to 3 mins,
- battery resisting cold weather,
- in back pixel level live view for accurate focussing when used on view cameras (see Nikon D3),
- fully elements proof including the connection with the body,
- full frame so as to get real wide angle shooting on MF bodies,
- no color cast even with tilt/shift,
- RAW based histogram,
- DSLR level response times when checking images' histogram,
- RAW buffer with at least 20 images continuous shooting capability,
- double CF slot for parallel or sequential write of data (see Nikon D3),
- uniivseral back interface with body so that it becomes possible to swtich freely from platform to platform.

Cheers,
Bernard

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2007, 02:56:52 am »

no one wants more MP yet !

a bigger recording area maybe but MP....

S

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