The 64 thousand dollar question!

[Don Libby]

Marc

I used to shoot landscape with a 1Ds II and just this year moved to MFDB.  My choice was the Mamiya AFD II along with a P30.  Best move I ever made.

Suggest you contact Chris Lawery at Capture Integration in Atlanta GA to see what he can offer you.

Best of luck!

don

[thsinar]

The eMotion 22 has been replaced by the eMotion 54 LV and is the equivalent to the Aptus 22, with the same 22 MPx Dalsa sensor.

It's internal "Solid State" memory has 4 GB: in opposition to hard drives, this solid state memory is shock-resistant. And in additon, internal slot for CF cards.

Bets regards,
Thierry

not morgan, but i'll take a stab at it:  the equivalent of the aptus 22 is the emotion 22....in addition to being able to shoot to a card, the emotions have a built in hard drive:  i know the e-75 has a 6 gig drive built in..i think the e22 has somewhere between  2 and 4 gigs of built in memory.
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[frankric]

Marc

I have been shooting stitched panos for some time with the Canon 10D/20D/5D. I bought the ZD camera earlier this year in full knowledge of the speed limitations and knowing I'd still be using the 5D for the large stitching jobs. I wasn't wrong.

Some of my stitches are from only five or six frames and the ZD is fine for this - it's within the 11 shot buffer. On the other hand I do a fair number of multi-row stitches (maybe 20-30 frames) and these are not suitable for the ZD - at 10 seconds per shot after the 11 shot buffer is filled, you'd be there forever.

More often than not I bracket exposures - usually a bracket of three, but sometimes two or three sets of bracketed exposures i.e. six or nine shots. An example. In this scenario of course the ZD is absolutely not usable. With these setups I occasionally hit the buffer on the 5D, so any MF rig will slow you down to some degree.

So at 50 or 100 ISO with exposures up to a few seconds the image quality is excellent and the dynamic range is certainly better than the 5D. For panos of up to eleven or so frames - including any bracketing - it is perfectly usable. But if you do very large stitch projects you'll need something faster, or stick to the 5D.

Regards

Frank

[rainer_v]

i think you should also test the emotion22. several people here went with either the e22 or the e75 after comparing them to other backs ....... but try it out and use the brumbaer tools if you want to see how good these backs are.

[Morgan_Moore]

i think you should also test the emotion22. several people here went with either the e22 or the e75 after comparing them to other backs ....... but try it out and use the brumbaer tools if you want to see how good these backs are.
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For stitching the e-motions have NO buffer till the memory is full

S

[Snook]

I believe the Leaf Aptus 22 is also with no buffer.. 1.2 Fps until your card fills which is also a great reason over the ZD for sure..
Not sure what a refurbed or Demo eMotion 22 Sinar is, But the Aptus 22 are the most reasonably priced backs in their league if you ask me. Following with the P30.
But this is only my understanding through A lot of research..:+}
Snook
I see the name Sinar or Bron and my wallet immediately starts to burn...:+]
 

[Snook]

John seeing how you have one and I don not..:+}
I checked a couple times and it states on the Leaf page that:
 quote "Save time on post-shoot organization and processing. Determine
With the Leaf Aptus, you can shoot at a rate of up to 1.2 sec per
frame and with an uninterrupted burst of 1000 frames"

I also read on their data sheets that it says 1.2 seconds per frame with unlimited amount?
That kind of baffles me?
What do they mean by that and it is on the Aptus 22 information page and PDF?
Thanks for any heads up or corrections..
Thanks
Snook

[Mike Chini]

John-


Try an extreme (III or IV if they make one) 2GB card.  The smaller the card, the faster the read/write access.

MC

[H1/A75 Guy]

I believe the Leaf Aptus 22 is also with no buffer.. 1.2 Fps until your card fills which is also a great reason over the ZD for sure..
Not sure what a refurbed or Demo eMotion 22 Sinar is, But the Aptus 22 are the most reasonably priced backs in their league if you ask me. Following with the P30.
But this is only my understanding through A lot of research..:+}
Snook
I see the name Sinar or Bron and my wallet immediately starts to burn...:+]
 
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[Wayne Fox]

Some of my stitches are from only five or six frames and the ZD is fine for this - it's within the 11 shot buffer. On the other hand I do a fair number of multi-row stitches (maybe 20-30 frames) and these are not suitable for the ZD - at 10 seconds per shot after the 11 shot buffer is filled, you'd be there forever.

Wow.  That many on a MFDB ... that's a lot of resolution.

[Morgan_Moore]

I have thought about that, but looking at the CF card speeds posted on Rob Galbraith, there is barely a 2% difference between the Extreme IV 2GB and 4GB [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152004\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

In terms of the original poster and write speeds my summary would be.

There is a risk of hitting the buffer on the ZD

On other backs this is not a consideration

S

[bcroslin]

There is a risk of hitting the buffer on the ZD

As someone who owns a ZD back I will confirm this. The buffer in the ZD is small and you've got to be very careful of not filling it during shooting.

[Esben]

We have done some testing of our Leaf Aptus 54S. The test is done on a Hasselblad H1 with mirror up in order not slow down the back.

see link:
http://blog.captureforce.com/?p=5

Sincerely,
Esben

[H1/A75 Guy]

We have done some testing of our Leaf Aptus 54S. The test is done on a Hasselblad H1 with mirror up in order not slow down the back.

Sincerely,
Esben
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Esben,

If you swing by this thread again is there a reason you chose the A54s over the A75s? I'm assuming money was not an issue and speed was more important than resolution. Am I correct? Having owned an A75, I'm actually considering an AFi5. The only thing that has me talking to myself is the loss of resolution, hence my interest.

Thanks,
David

[etrump]

I am planning on purchasing a MFDB for my Mamiya AFD II. I am on a budget but don't want to be penny wise and pound foolish so..... for landscape and nature which would you buy and why. Mamiya ZD back; $6900(new), or Aptus 22 $10,500(demo) or Phase P30 $12,500(demo)?

Image quality is most important, #1 dynamic range, #2 color, #3 resolution

I'm trying to make a step up from my 5D which I find the dynamic range more limiting than anything else here in Hawaii.

I don't have a dealer in the area to do a personal comparison so your help is appreciated.

Thanks
Marc
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I can't compare the other backs, but I switched from a 5D to a P30+ looking for the same 3 items.  I received a P30  prior to taking delivery of the P30+.  


#1 The difference in DR from the 5D is worth the upgrade.  (Probably similar with other DB)  From the first exposure I was amazed at the difference.  The smile has been on my face ever since.

#2 The sharpness difference due to no AA filter and 50% more resolution is substantial.  

#3 The AWB is useless on the P30, use an expo disk or daylight WB and adjust later.

I shoot nothing but nature and landscape.

[Snook]

eTrump...
Do you notice any "Major" differences between the P30 and the P30+?
Really wondering as from what I have read not much of a difference for the upgrade price difference..
Can you verify that?
Thanks for you information
Snook

[yaya]

The 50 frames/ minute spec is measured on a "fast" 645 camera i.e H1/2 and Contax. This represent the fastest speed that the A22 can capture = 1.2 sec/ frame

The 645AFD/ II has a small shutter lag and also the digital interface has a lag of about 0.2sec, so overall it is just under 1.5 sec/ frame, which is exactly what your test shows.

Yair

[Don Libby]

eTrump...
Do you notice any "Major" differences between the P30 and the P30+?
Really wondering as from what I have read not much of a difference for the upgrade price difference..
Can you verify that?
Thanks for you information
Snook
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Snook, I'm not eTrump but I had a P30 loaner for about 30 days before my P30+ came in and depending on what you might consider "Major" then my answer is no.  My loaner had live preview which is something as a landscape/nature guy I simply have no use for.  I think my loaner was sort of a hybred with firmware upgraded from what it started life as.

BTW congrats on the P30!  The smile on my face is the same as the very first day of delivery.

don

[Snook]

Thanks for the info..
I could care a less about live preview and higher ASA..
I never shoot above 100 asa , so not sure it would benefit me either.
Snook

[Esben]

Esben,

If you swing by this thread again is there a reason you chose the A54s over the A75s? I'm assuming money was not an issue and speed was more important than resolution. Am I correct? Having owned an A75, I'm actually considering an AFi5. The only thing that has me talking to myself is the loss of resolution, hence my interest.

Thanks,
David
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Hi David

I think the Leaf Aptus 54S is one of the best backs, if not the best. The ability to shoot whenever you want is what makes it brilliant. This back is very nice at ISO 25 and is definitive useable up to 100. At ISO 200 and 400, its start to get a little noisy, especially if you're pushing the histogram. The 22MP is suitable for 95% of our clients.
 
Sincerely,
Esben