Topic: Microsoft / Phase One (Read 5842 times)

david o · « **on:** October 27, 2007, 07:10:33 pm »

link
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2007/10/microsoft-and-p.html

amsp · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:34:03 pm »

Ouch, didn't see that one coming.. Since when is microsoft an expert in digital imaging software? Besides, as far as I can tell most imaging professionals work with macs. Weird stuff..

david o · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:38:16 pm »

Blad want to oblige you to buy a Blad Back
Phase want to oblige you to run a PC

amsp · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:48:37 pm »

LOL.. I've switched to ACR for everything but tethered shooting anyway

samuel_js · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2007, 09:52:50 pm »

Weird really....... Seems desperate to me. For me switching backs or camera platform is one thing, but from Mac to a PC, wow that will simply never happen in my life (well if there's no other option).
Very strange thing......
As a PhaseOne user I deeply dislike this aliance. Just reading the MS name at the PhaseOne's website......
Hope they don't put a finger on PhaseOne's products...

eronald · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2007, 09:57:35 pm »

I think Microsoft needed a good Raw converter engine. Now they need good profiles - in case they're reading this may I indicate that I do these ?

Edmund

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2007, 03:44:09 am »

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I cant work this out.

Snide commetns aside I am quite interested in what is actually occuring.

MS could have given phase enough money for instance to buy the contax tooling

More likely IMO is that MS want raw conversion knowledge to develop thier own C1 alike or lightroom type application

Maybe they are even interested in using phase to help them develop things like software/hardware for video phones, surveilance or some other imaging application nothing to do with the sort of photography practiced by most on this board

I would imagine that this is either very good news for Phase/MF users leading to a new platfrom, or bad news because Phase will focus thier efforts in other directions and become disinterested in the small market that is MF backs

S

david o · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:08:44 am »

I remember reading on the forum when the ZD back came out and why it's price could be so low that the big expense for back companies was RD and software.
May be phase want to transfer the software cost to make their back more affordable...
Though they still need a platform.
So you're right Contax is an option. Mam is another one with another strategic alliance.
May be MS want to built his camera... don't think MF...
Hard to figure out what's going on...

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:59:23 am »

Bizarre news

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2007, 05:35:08 am »

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May be phase want to transfer the software cost to make their back more affordable...
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I doubt this.

Phase IS a sofware company I guess

They make money from C1 I guess

And thier backs are off the shelf bits that you or I could 'buy' screwed together plus some software

(an over simplification I know)

Look at physical difference eg from a P25 to P45+ the - difference is sofware and 'off the shelf' bits

ZD is cheaper I guess because

-they buy some cheaper bits

- they bought more of them

- they reckon on splitting the R+D cost over more units

-they underestimated the software element IMO they are two years behind phase

ALL GUESSES

S

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2007, 05:51:55 am »

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The sensor might be off the shelf, but the casing, motherboard, etc all have to be custom engineered. The sensor data doesn't jump onto the CF card or LCD screen on its own There are heat and RF considerations too. I think you would be DIYing for a long time before you matched the performance and reliability.

Morgan_Moore · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2007, 06:11:32 am »

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The sensor might be off the shelf, but the casing, motherboard, etc all have to be custom engineered. The sensor data doesn't jump onto the CF card or LCD screen on its own There are heat and RF considerations too. I think you would be DIYing for a long time before you matched the performance and reliability.
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You missed the bit of my post "an over simplification I know"

I reckon they commissioned the casings from a third party - hense no changes since the P20/25

I dont know how tech companies work nowadays but I am sure that phase is a knowlege and RD company priamarly rather than a machining/engineering/fabrication company

so MS will be after their knowledge and RD skill

[a href=\"http://www.phaseone.com/Content/ContactUs/AboutUs.aspx]Phase oe 'About'[/url] is worth a read

S

jpjespersen · « **Reply #12 on:** October 29, 2007, 03:14:33 pm »

this is the worst interview ever - http://www.PDNPulse.com/2007/10/qa-with-phase-o.html
Is it me or does every answer by phase ceo say the exact same thing. Not much info here.

david o · « **Reply #13 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:03:13 pm »

the deal might have been : don't ask anything I will answer
nothing to learn from that.
The most important question would have been about "hardware" and there is nothing...

mahleu · « **Reply #14 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:15:29 pm »

Hmmm, they'll have to put Ctrl, Alt and Del keys on any back they make...

eronald · « **Reply #15 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:23:46 pm »

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The sensor might be off the shelf, but the casing, motherboard, etc all have to be custom engineered. The sensor data doesn't jump onto the CF card or LCD screen on its own There are heat and RF considerations too. I think you would be DIYing for a long time before you matched the performance and reliability.
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Actually Dalsa (and probably Kodak too) have reference designs which are pretty detailed - down to layout. They also have dev kits. My guess would be that their application support engineers would help any credible client get the electronics around the sensor working well - software and case is a different story of course, but a company like Mamiya can probably tap into considerable local design expertise.

Edmund

pss · « **Reply #16 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:27:55 pm »

i don't really see the great news....phase has been bundling iview which was bought by microsoft , so in reality htey have been working together for a while...maybe microsoft will help out with C1 to bring it up to LR....roll iview and c1 into one...that would make sense....

otherwise nothing new...microsoft does not really do hardware and definitely not cameras, so nothing to fear there....

either way with LR is king....

like someone said before me here...i would switch backs rather then os platforms.....but i guess i can run anyting on my mac anyway....

about the rumors of a phase camera: they can't even upgrade their own software in time......so unless canon decides to build a body and new lenses to work with phase i think there will be no new toys.....

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