Creating a Profile of Canvas with Z3100

[Jae_Moon]

A quick question.

I am trying to use the canvas from Breathing Color. Since the canvas is to be coated with Glamour II Veneer and it affects the color rendition, should I coat the canvas with Glamour before the printed patches were read by the printer?

Jae Moon

[ternst]

Jae:

I wondered the same thing but everyone (including Breathing Color) told me to make the profile before you apply the varnish and that seems to work great.

[Mark Lindquist]

A quick question.

I am trying to use the canvas from Breathing Color. Since the canvas is to be coated with Glamour II Veneer and it affects the color rendition, should I coat the canvas with Glamour before the printed patches were read by the printer?

Jae Moon
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I use BC Chromata White almost exclusively.  First create a new custom paper (Fine Art Canvas).  Then load the canvas using the created new name.  Then create and install the ICC profile.

The Z3100 is mucho accurate and I actually create a new paper/calibration and profile for each individual roll assuring absolute accuracy from roll to roll.  (Hey with an embedded photospectrometer why not, right?)  The Glamour Gloss is a variable finish (meaning many ways to apply by changing proportions or by spraying or rolling).  If anything, the Glamour Gloss can make your print POP if you do it right.

Glamour Gloss is hydroscopic and definitely it's not an even finish by any means so I doubt very much you'd want to send a pre-coated canvas through and profile through the finish.

Go for it and you'll see - the Z does a beautiful job just plain.  They claim it has the highest gamut of all canvas out there.  I'm inclined to agree.

Best-

Mark

[Jae_Moon]

Mark and Ternst:

Thank you for the info. I am going to make my first print on canvas with Z3100.

Jae Moon

[dandeliondigital]

A quick question.

I am trying to use the canvas from Breathing Color. Since the canvas is to be coated with Glamour II Veneer and it affects the color rendition, should I coat the canvas with Glamour before the printed patches were read by the printer?

Jae Moon
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Hi Jae,
Well, I am printing a work on Breathing Color Chromata today, and coating it with Glamour using their foam roller, and I planned on experimenting, so this thread is very timely for me.

I have in the past, using my HP DesignJet 2500 CP UV (SHAMELESS PLUG:it's 4 sale in the Classifieds section), and using quite a number of different brands of canvas, experimented with making profiles before and after varnishing targets using the X-Rite Pulse.

If you open the profiles of the canvas with varnish is an editor which draws a 3D visualization of the gamut, you can see a definite difference between it and the unvarnished profile that was made from the unvarnished target. THis is especially dramatic if you are using a matte canvas for printing and a satin or gloss varnish for finishing the work.

I think it was more accurate in soft prrofing to use the specially made "after varnishing" profile.

This is all based on observations from the past, so I wanted to try reading in the HP Z profile after it had been varnished to see if  it behaves similarly. I'm letting it dry overnight first.

IT will be the first time I attempt to build a new profile from a pre-printed target using my APS Software. I'll try to report back when I see what happens.

I really like the look of the varnished material BTW! Beautiful!


So long for now, TOM

[Mark Lindquist]

Hi Jae,
Well, I am printing a work on Breathing Color Chromata today, and coating it with Glamour using their foam roller, and I planned on experimenting, so this thread is very timely for me.

I have in the past, using my HP DesignJet 2500 CP UV (SHAMELESS PLUG:it's 4 sale in the Classifieds section), and using quite a number of different brands of canvas, experimented with making profiles before and after varnishing targets using the X-Rite Pulse.

If you open the profiles of the canvas with varnish is an editor which draws a 3D visualization of the gamut, you can see a definite difference between it and the unvarnished profile that was made from the unvarnished target. THis is especially dramatic if you are using a matte canvas for printing and a satin or gloss varnish for finishing the work.

I think it was more accurate in soft prrofing to use the specially made "after varnishing" profile.

This is all based on observations from the past, so I wanted to try reading in the HP Z profile after it had been varnished to see if  it behaves similarly. I'm letting it dry overnight first.

IT will be the first time I attempt to build a new profile from a pre-printed target using my APS Software. I'll try to report back when I see what happens.


I really like the look of the varnished material BTW! Beautiful!
So long for now, TOM
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Tom - this presupposes then that you would always apply the Glamour Gloss the exact same way every time you coat the canvas?  The essential beauty of Glamour Gloss is that it allows for thinner or lighter coatings depending on what the image requires.  But hey, actually, it might mean making several profiles based on varying applications of the finish.  No sweat with the Z3100.  Custom profiles a snap!

Best wishes,

Mark