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Nick T

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« on: September 29, 2007, 12:49:36 am »

Been so used to working with Epsons that its taking me longer to get accustomed to working with the Z3100 efficiently.  Trying to make a profile for Silver Rag so  I downloaded a paper preset from HP site called the Fine Art Pearl more Ink setting.  Now when trying to build a profile, I can't access this paper setting since it's saved under Custom Paper.  I know the media settings determine ink laydown but if you can't access the Fine Art Pearl setting then how can I build a proper profile for Silver Rag?  

Hope some of you more experienced HPZ3100 users can give me a walk through.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2007, 05:16:14 am »

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Been so used to working with Epsons that its taking me longer to get accustomed to working with the Z3100 efficiently.  Trying to make a profile for Silver Rag so  I downloaded a paper preset from HP site called the Fine Art Pearl more Ink setting.  Now when trying to build a profile, I can't access this paper setting since it's saved under Custom Paper.  I know the media settings determine ink laydown but if you can't access the Fine Art Pearl setting then how can I build a proper profile for Silver Rag? 

Hope some of you more experienced HPZ3100 users can give me a walk through.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.
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You have brought that paper preset to the printer with the firmware update>media profile update feature of easy printer care, you then went to manage paper>update paper list ?   Takes some time in total.  The calibration window has a downward arrow next to select, if you push that one the list appears and you can select the  Fine Art Pearl more paper preset and calibrate. After that you can do the same in the Create Profile and install menu.

Is it that you want that paper preset used under the name Silver Rag and can not achieve that as both will be in the custom paper choices ?

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try:  [a href=\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/[/url]
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2007, 09:35:19 am »

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Thanks in advance.

Cheers.
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Nick, have you read through this [a href=\"http://z3100users.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/working_with_nonhp_papers_fw_5_v2.pdf]Tech Newsletter[/url] from HP yet?
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 12:21:53 am »

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Nick, have you read through this Tech Newsletter from HP yet?
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Yes Ron I have.  I will try tomorrow Ernst's instructions and see how it goes.  Preset was imported through the firmware/media update.  I just can't seem to select the Fine Art Pearl more ink setting as the paper type before profiling.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 12:37:15 am »

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You have brought that paper preset to the printer with the firmware update>media profile update feature of easy printer care, you then went to manage paper>update paper list ?   Takes some time in total.  The calibration window has a downward arrow next to select, if you push that one the list appears and you can select the  Fine Art Pearl more paper preset and calibrate. After that you can do the same in the Create Profile and install menu.

Is it that you want that paper preset used under the name Silver Rag and can not achieve that as both will be in the custom paper choices ?

Ernst Dinkla

try:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/
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Hope you can comment Ernst.  Finally have the time to get some printing done and want to profile Silver Rag

I go to CREATE and INSTALL ICC Profile-- under SELECT PAPER I choose ADD NEW PAPER
then I am brought into another page that says ADD CUSTOM PAPER.  I type in the name SILVER RAG to name my paper and then I am asked to select the PAPER TYPE.  You have the options of COATED, PHOTO, PROOFING, and FINE ART.  The preset that I loaded, the FINE ART PEARL MORE INK cannot be found in any of these drop downs.  So how can I now create a custom profile for this if I cannot select it to determine the ink lay down?

Sorry for the bother.  Hope you or others can help.

Nick
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 02:48:54 am »

You can add the paper before adding or rather creating a profile. If the preset more ink, FA Pearl was correctly installed as an OMS, or what should have been in the firmware 5.0.4 it should be available in the add media list under custom>Fine Art PEarl> more ink.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 04:18:07 am »

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You can add the paper before adding or rather creating a profile. If the preset more ink, FA Pearl was correctly installed as an OMS, or what should have been in the firmware 5.0.4 it should be available in the add media list under custom>Fine Art PEarl> more ink.
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Hi Neil,

Thanks for responding.  Yes I installed the paper preset through the new firmware and yes it is found under Custom > Fine Art Pearl More Ink.  What I'm trying to say is that you cannot access the Custom Paper List when selecting Add New Paper under CREATE and INSTALL ICC PROFILE.  You can access Custom Paper if you click on Current Papers.  I guess I can go this route and build the Silver Rag profile from here but will the ICC be saved as Fine Art Pearl More Ink or will I be able to call it Silver Rag?  And what if I wanted to build a profile for Innova F and HPearl?  

I hope this explanation is clear enough.  Thanks for assisting.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2007, 06:47:47 am »

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Hi Neil,

Thanks for responding.  Yes I installed the paper preset through the new firmware and yes it is found under Custom > Fine Art Pearl More Ink.  What I'm trying to say is that you cannot access the Custom Paper List when selecting Add New Paper under CREATE and INSTALL ICC PROFILE.  You can access Custom Paper if you click on Current Papers.  I guess I can go this route and build the Silver Rag profile from here but will the ICC be saved as Fine Art Pearl More Ink or will I be able to call it Silver Rag?  And what if I wanted to build a profile for Innova F and HPearl? 

I hope this explanation is clear enough.  Thanks for assisting.
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I guess I always created the paper first so never noticed the lack of coordination between create profile add paper or add media first.
Yes you can name it anything you like. I named Hahnemuhle Bamboo just Bamboo for example.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 09:15:49 pm »

This is a known issue, but a rather obscure one for some reason.  I just faced it when trying to add my second paper using the Custom>Fine Art>Pearl (more ink) preset.  I already have calibration and a profile using this preset for Hahnemuhle Pearl paper and wanted to add another pearl paper for Crane Silver Rag.  After struggling for quite a while on my own, I finally called HP tech support.  

After about half an hour of describing my situation, being put on hold while the tech asked a question, then back on hold again, I was told I needed to speak with someone on the color team (vs. the Mac team).  After 20 more minutes on hold, they finally decided to call me back.  When the color specialist called back and I described my problem, he said that he hadn't heard of any issues adding a new custom paper with a custom preset.  He tried it on his PC (side note:  he said that they had only 2, yes 2 macs in the whole department and they were both busy) and could not create a new custom paper with pearl as the paper type.  I was then put on hold for another 25 minutes while he tried to figure it out with their printer and PC.

While I was on hold, I had plenty of time to kill, so I reread this document and found my answer:
https://h41186.www4.hp.com/hpp/Data/working...?pageseq=260246
Lurking on page 25 was my answer:  YOU CAN"T DO IT!  HP says that you can only have one custom paper type for each preset calibrated at a time.  You can create an infinite number of paper names and ICC profiles, but can only have one calibration for each paper type of custom paper.  I can have 100 different custom glossy photo paper names, each with calibration, unique paper name and ICC profile, but only one pearl type paper period.

The bottom line is that until this is fixed, as per HP's document, you have to recalibrate everytime you change pearl or other custom preset paper types.  The database that the Printer Utility uses as a starting point for calibration and profiling, which the document describes as the most critical part of the new paper process, is not updated when you add new presets.  The new paper type preset appears in the paper list under custom and on the control panel of the printer, but not in the drop down list of paper presets you choose when defining a new paper name.

Let's hope that this is addressed in the mythical firmware upgrade that is coming, because it is wasteful of paper and ink and time, and just a silly inconsistency in the software.  Ironically, I had to explain what I had read to the second level tech person, who was not even aware of the issue.  We both discussed that it would be fixable if you could find where the information was stored on the server, but it does not appear to be user addressable.  

Does everyone else already know about this, or do most people not have more than one pearl or other custom paper choice that they work with?

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 10:17:44 pm »

Dang, Ron, this is a great catch.  I also totally missed that and version 3 of this doc which was put out one month after version 2.  

I wonder why HP never announces these docs?  We seem to find them by accident.  What is the value of signing up for the HP notices if all I ever get is sales spam from them?

I'm adding this v3 doc to the wiki.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 12:27:37 am »

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I wonder why HP never announces these docs?  We seem to find them by accident.  What is the value of signing up for the HP notices if all I ever get is sales spam from them?
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The value of HP's update notices seems to be as obscure as the value of their support forum.  Perhaps they require special glasses to appreciate them or some sort of decoder ring I don't have.  Even searching for documents on their website can often be challenging.  In four months, the email updates have consisted of only a couple of marketing messages.  I only found out about the new version of APS through the wiki.

Complaints aside, I'm still pulling for them to make things right, and finding encouragement at the news from Photo Expo about new firmware and new pinch rollers being on the way.  New firmware could make the custom paper preset issue a thing of the past rather easily.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 06:34:13 am »

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Complaints aside, I'm still pulling for them to make things right, and finding encouragement at the news from Photo Expo about new firmware and new pinch rollers being on the way.  New firmware could make the custom paper preset issue a thing of the past rather easily.

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Me too.  This printer is amazing as it is. As you point out I just want them to remove the obstacles we've uncovered.  Then we can settle in for the winter and make some awesome prints.  
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