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« on: September 22, 2007, 12:43:37 am »

I just learned a valuable lesson and thought I should pass it along.  I've been printing a 19 print show of 30" x 40" photographic images on HP Professional Satin Photo Paper.  I have another thread about the problems I've been struggling with regarding intermittent paper transport marks on this paper, but it relates to this thread's subject in that I'm having to make a lot of reprints due to this problem.  For three days, I ran the printer non-stop for 16 hour each day.   Each print took about 48 minutes if I sent the file to the printer before the previous one finished, to avoid file transfer time.

I first noticed a few small, random drops on a HP Smooth Fine Art print that I made about 10 days ago, but had no problems with excess ink on any other prints until yesterday.  With a big print yesterday, though, on the Professional Satin, there were over a dozen large drops of ink about the diameter of a pencil lead.  That prompted a call to HP Tech Support and the suggestion to pull and clean my printheads.  

When I pulled the printheads, I was shocked at how much ink was all over the sides, concentrated on the contact side and the short vertical face to the front of the head surface.  I cleaned the ink with a coffee filter as directed and was told that this is normal if using a high ink demand paper like the Professional Satin.  I also noticed overspray inside, all the way to the left side, extending from the felt catchment tank up past the encoder strip and above the drive belt.  Tech Support says that this too is normal.

Today, after printing only two more 30' x 40"s, I made a print that had a horrible color balance.  Since it was a reprint from the printer's hard drive, I did not suspect a file problem and asked the printer to recalibrate the paper.  I found that the blue and magenta were not firing.  I had the printer clean the printheads and tried another calibration, with the same result.

I then pulled all my printheads and really examined them under bright light.  To my horror, I saw that there was again ink all over the lower portion of the sides, but more alarmingly, there was gloss enhancer all over almost all of the gold contacts.  The gloss enhancer extended across the whole face, all the way up to the middle of the upper rectangular contacts.  My printheads were not firing because the signal was being blocked by gloss enhancer!

I also noticed large pools of ink on the damper (?) where the printhead parks when it cleans itself or rests, and on parts in front of and behind the damper.  After about an hour of cleaning, the printer is again firing on all cylinders again and turning out beautiful prints.

My take away from this is that I will need to perform regular, manual cleaning of the printheads as preventative maintenance.  I don't plan to always print on Satin stock, but have some concerns about how the printer will perform day in and day out if I use it for moderate to high volume.  

Perhaps the smooth fine art stock, which will probably be my most common paper over time, will not have these issues with excess ink.  I'd love to think, though, that the marking problem will be solved with the Harman Gloss and would expect it to behave similarly to the Professional Satin.  

The learning (and occasionally cursing) process continues . . .

Ron H.

[attachment=3355:attachment]  Printhead
[attachment=3356:attachment]  Printhead receptacle
[attachment=3357:attachment]  Right side
[attachment=3358:attachment]  Left side
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2007, 01:58:34 am »

I noticed the same thing after head cleaning didn't fix a color problem I was having. Cleaning all the contacts fixed the color problems immediately. I've found that I have to clean all the areas you've mentioned regularly if I'm printing for long periods. I also clean inside where the cartridges come in contact with the metal in the cartridge holder assembly.
One thing I want to know is if the felt like pad that gets soaked with ink is replaceable. Mine is already looking bad and I don't print that much.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 02:02:42 am »

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I noticed the same thing after head cleaning didn't fix a color problem I was having. Cleaning all the contacts fixed the color problems immediately. I've found that I have to clean all the areas you've mentioned regularly if I'm printing for long periods. I also clean inside where the cartridges come in contact with the metal in the cartridge holder assembly.
One thing I want to know is if the felt like pad that gets soaked with ink is replaceable. Mine is already looking bad and I don't print that much.
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What are you using to clean it?  I have been told in the past to use distilled water for a different printer I had in the past... is that the best thing to use?
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 02:07:31 am »

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What are you using to clean it?  I have been told in the past to use distilled water for a different printer I had in the past... is that the best thing to use?
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I've been using those low lint cotton swaps that I had for my old cassette player years ago. I don't use any solvent, the ink was wet enough that it just wiped off.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 03:05:43 am »

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What are you using to clean it?  I have been told in the past to use distilled water for a different printer I had in the past... is that the best thing to use?
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They didn't mention distilled water , but suggested damp coffee filters.  I asked if lint free wipes would work and they said yes, so I switched to using those.  The tight spots I cleaned with some small makeup applicators that are a little sponge on a plastic stick.  You want to avoid using Q-tips or anything else that might leave lint.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2007, 02:23:45 pm »

Here's another shot of the side of a dirty printhead that I meant to post here earlier, FWIW.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2007, 07:44:46 pm »

Thanks for this info Ron.  I would think it would be a good idea to get more specific cleaning advice from tech support, then post on the wiki.
I know how continued use can cause build up on so many things.
I'm wondering what the liquid is on the small q-tip thingys they send along with the print heads and ask us to swab with before initializing?

I was thinking it might be an alcohol base substance...

Again - thanks for the info and pics-

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 08:28:40 am »

Wow, and the problem I had on one 3100 might have been just this. I had noticed the build up , and cleaned the areas around the diapers, but never thought to unplug the heads and clean the ink bays. This really shouldn't be necessary, but shows poor design. What can I say?
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 12:47:55 am »

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Wow, and the problem I had on one 3100 might have been just this. I had noticed the build up , and cleaned the areas around the diapers, but never thought to unplug the heads and clean the ink bays. This really shouldn't be necessary, but shows poor design. What can I say?
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I agree, Neil, that this shouldn't be an issue.  It would seem that some sort of seal around the printhead would be a fairly easy to implement in the design stage.  Because the clearances are minimal, I don't know that a retrofit is necessarily so easy as an end user.  

From my brief time with the printer, I think that high usage with high ink load papers will require a full cleaning every couple of weeks.  At least the inks seem water soluble on non-porous surfaces.  I guess there must be some sort of specific chemical bond between ink and paper that makes prints water resistant.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 05:02:47 pm »

Interesting - just experienced a similar problem as you have and began the cleaning procedure.

I was a little concerned about cleaning inside and didn't do it, but now after re-reading your post I see you went after everything, big time.

Question:

When you pull the print heads are you going into the menu and choosing "Print Head Replacement"?

After going through everything it takes something around 18 minutes to re-initialize, etc.

Then do you do a head cleaning afterwards?

It would be a good thing to have step by step instructions for this procedure and post them on the wiki - this is a very important issue.

Thanks for the info you have posted - very helpful.

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