New Leaf AFi Cameras

[ronno]

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/16918/leaf-afi/

[Frank Doorhof]

Wow looking very cool.
Will look into testdriving one when I get the chance.

[EricWHiss]

Wow looking very cool.
Will look into testdriving one when I get the chance.
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Is that the Hy6 under Leaf brand with Leaf back? Any info on pricing?

[Graham Mitchell]

Is that the Hy6 under Leaf brand with Leaf back?

Yes, same camera.

[yodelyo]

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/16918/leaf-afi/
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I know it is not out yet but if anyone knows:

so if you want to shoot vertical do you spin whichever digi back your using like an RZ film back? if so, is it easily done or is it a hassle?

[phila]

I know it is not out yet but if anyone knows:

so if you want to shoot vertical do you spin whichever digi back your using like an RZ film back? if so, is it easily done or is it a hassle?
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At the moment you have to remove the back to change the orientation. A revolving back is in the works I was told by the Leaf rep who was visiting Australia with a prototype body a few weeks ago. Due to ship sometime in October was the information.

[H1/A75 Guy]

At the moment you have to remove the back to change the orientation. A revolving back is in the works I was told by the Leaf rep who was visiting Australia with a prototype body a few weeks ago. Due to ship sometime in October was the information.
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Looks like there is room in product numbering scheme for a Leaf AFi 8. That would be a (square) 44mp back. Which would get my attention.

[Graham Mitchell]

Looks like there is room in product numbering scheme for a Leaf AFi 8. That would be a (square) 44mp back. Which would get my attention.
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That would only require a change of the back. The camera already supports it.

[H1/A75 Guy]

That would only require a change of the back. The camera already supports it.
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[BJNY]

Am I the only one who wishes manufacturers name their digital backs according to their resolution?

- Why can't it be AFi-22, AFi-28, and AFi-33?
- Why can't it be P39 instead of P45, and P18 instead of P21?

Yeesh...

[BernardLanguillier]

Am I the only one who wishes manufacturers name their digital backs according to their resolution?

- Why can't it be AFi-22, AFi-28, and AFi-33?
- Why can't it be P39 instead of P45, and P18 instead of P21?

Yeesh...
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You're not alone!  

I'd add that the Leaf A75 is probably the most misleading number out there... coming from the A22 where the figure used to mean something.

Now, the new Leaf numbers are actually better IMHO since they don't even pretend to relate to resolution anymore.

Cheers,
Bernard

[izaack]

Looks like a closed system to me. Why isn't anybody raising hackles?

[Morgan_Moore]

Looks like a closed system to me. Why isn't anybody raising hackles?
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Well it will work with HY6 bits and sinar backs too (hopefully)

And old rollei lenses

TH of sinar has hinted that phase is welcome to make a back for it too

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Ths body is still well short of lenses; the 35 is known to be in development

If the 35 is released but only works the the 'Aptus85' and/or 'SinarEmotion95'* for some reason then there will be noise - loud noise

S

(*yes I made them up)

[jing q]

Looks like a closed system to me. Why isn't anybody raising hackles?
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must be the plentiful number of lenses available plus the fact that those lenses are interchangeable with the Sinar Hy6 system.
plus the fact that the Leaf back is much sexier than the imacon/hasselblad system
heh heh

[thsinar]

well Sam, if you want to put it this way, that I welcomed ....  

- What I said precisely: it is up tp any back manufacturer to first decide, then possibly mynufacture an adapter for a given camera, never the other way round.

- the 35mm is well on the track and shouldn't take that long to be available after the Hy6 release. Plans are still begin of 2007.

Best regards,
Thierry

TH of sinar has hinted that phase is welcome to make a back for it too

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Ths body is still well short of lenses; the 35 is known to be in development

If the 35 is released but only works the the 'Aptus85' and/or 'SinarEmotion95'* for some reason then there will be noise - loud noise

S

(*yes I made them up)
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[Morgan_Moore]

well Sam, if you want to put it this way, that I welcomed ....   


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TH can you clarify

1) Bits from the HY6 /AFI are interchangable

2) Sinar backs will work on AFI

3) Leaf backs will work on HY6

4) Future lenses will 'work'* with current backs

5) Phase can just do it or they need to pay a license to someone

SMM

*accepted they may 'work' better with future backs

[thsinar]

Sam,

1. bits? If you mean accessories, yes, that is planed so

2. yes, it is planed so

3. yes, it is planed so as well

4. future lenses will work the same with all supported Sinarbacks

5. you can "force" nobody to pay a license to make a mechanical adapter, without the electronical communication between back and camera.

Best regards,
Thierry

TH can you clarify

1) Bits from the HY6 /AFI are interchangable

2) Sinar backs will work on AFI

3) Leaf backs will work on HY6

4) Future lenses will 'work'* with current backs

5) Phase can just do it or they need to pay a license to someone

SMM

*accepted they may 'work' better with future backs
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[godtfred]

5. you can "force" nobody to pay a license to make a mechanical adapter, without the electronical communication between back and camera.
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I read this as:

Yes, but if Phase does not want to use a sync-cable, they have to fork out for licencing fees on the communications protocol.

As Phase has a sleeping architecture, they are in need of the communications protocol, if not, every phase back owner will need to "wake up the back" before they can shoot...

Basically Phase will have to pay a licencing fee, if they want to come onboard. Unless they are barred from licencing the software/firmware protocol... then its not going to happen at all, and when/if the H2 goes out of production, Phase owners are stuck with RZ's and LF cameras for fast flash sync (and probably some other camera i don't remember right now.)

Strange that Kodak, who owns leaf, and who sell a lot of sensors inside Phase bodies, are not shuffeling some wheight around in this matter, it could mean long term sensor sales will slope if everyting plays out for the worst. (And it is really stupid, the way the industry is going with less and less compatibility... i like my toolkit to turn every nut that exists, utopia of course    )

-axel

[Dustbak]

I kinda agree with you here.

It also does sound like there is an option to license the communication protocols. It is only normal to pay for other peoples technology. The big question is how much and what will you get in return?

[BernardLanguillier]

Basically Phase will have to pay a licencing fee, if they want to come onboard. Unless they are barred from licencing the software/firmware protocol... then its not going to happen at all, and when/if the H2 goes out of production, Phase owners are stuck with RZ's and LF cameras for fast flash sync (and probably some other camera i don't remember right now.)
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Who said that those licenses were for sales?

My understanding was that Sinar and Leaf had agreed to keep PhaseOne out of this platform altogether without any possibility for PhaseOne to join.

I'd love to be wrong, since it is totally obvious to me that Sinar is shooting oneself in the foot, legs and arms by not opening up their platform more.

We are just one year away from the next generation of MFDB sensors, and nothing says that the Dalsa sensors currently used by Sinar and Leaf will still be competitive compared to the next generation sensors from Kodak used by PhaseOne and Hassy. Buying into the Hy6 platform might very well mean lock oneself out of the next winning sensors.

Regards,
Bernard